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The follow-up post.

The 2nd War started in September of 1939. After German aggression towards Great Britain was blunted by Germany losing the Battle of Britain, Germany opened the 2nd front against Russia in June 1941. America did not participate until Dec 8th, 1941 and that was the result of Japan bombing Pearl Harbor. Interestingly enough, Great Britain, Australia, and Canada all declared war against Japan before the US.

Seems the author is completely unaware that prior to and after the "lend-lease" program, the US supplied lubricants and fuel for German aircraft and submarines, through IBM provided the technology for the SS and Gestapo to run the secret police and the concentration camps.

I wonder if he knows that through Henry Ford's (a vocal anti-semitic & Hitler admirer) German Ford Motor company, the German military was supplied with vehicles used in the invasion of Poland & Russia. Or Alcoa who continued to supply Germany with its aluminum needs enabling them to produce their aircraft for war. And let's not forget General Motors who were just as guilty as Ford but were also perfectly OK with using slave labour to build military vehicles.

Coca-cola supplied them with their very own version of coke to get around sanctions. Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, dropped any mention of "jew" from their movies and donated free films to the German War Relief Fund. Chase Manhatten, CitiBank, and JP Morgan were found guilty after the war of assisting Germany to steal millions from deported French Jews accounts. Dow Chemicals supplied them with new technologies and materials to increase their oil production.

Brown Brothers Harriman (grandfather to Bush Snr) sold war bonds throughout the world but particularly America to fund Germany's war efforts.

Woolworths in Germany fired all its Jewish employees and was awarded the coveted "Adefa Zeichen" award which was the highest award given to pure Aryan companies.

The war in Europe was won directly because on the Eastern Front Russia destroyed 17 entire German Divisions along with decimating 6 Armoured Divisions at Kursk. There was NO opportunity for Germany to move large numbers of troops or armour to France to stop the Normandy advances. Supporting this, the RAF flew literally thousands of sorties destroying bases, rail lines, parked armour and troop trains bringing military movement in Germany to almost a complete halt. The 8th Air Force did squat.

Yes, America did contribute through lend-lease as did Canada, Australia and New Zealand. The largest difference was there was always a price tag on any US generosity while others gave freely. Great Britain made its final repayment in 2006. American, British aid was paramount in enabling Russia to slowly turn the tide in the war. Part and parcel of the lend lease agreement was the transfer of technology worth literally billions to the US. Russia also supplied desperately needed rare minerals and gold, silver and platinum in huge quantities.

But Lend Lease was not done alone by America and the battles were not sacrifices of American blood.

If you think America rescued those trapped in the camps. Think again, the Russians liberated Janowska, Treblenkia, Wilno, Bronna Gora, Chelmo, Stanislawow, Luck, Polunka, Lwowo, Lodz, Trawniki, Sobibor, Auschwitz, Stutthof, Gross-Rosen, Majdanek, Sachsenhausen, & Ravensbrück, The American liberated Buchenwald, Mittelbau, Flossenbürg, and Dachau. Canada liberated Westerbork and the UK Bergen Belsen & Neuengamme.

The Normandy landing involved troops from 8 countries, Great Britain, France, Canada, Czechoslovakia, Australia, Norway, Poland and the US. There were 5 beaches, 2 under US control, 3 under GB control. The best results were shown by the Canadians who advanced beyond where they were expected to be on the 3rd day. The worst being the USA - Utah Beach where objectives were not even near accomplished. In addition, the US actually managed to get lost and land on the wrong beach. Compounding their problems was the fact they dropped their support tanks off 2 miles from shore and the majority sank before reaching shore. The US faced 8 understaffed, under-supplied divisions consisting of foreigners, the very young and old along with soldiers either previously retired or recovering from old wounds. They were poorly equipped and were estimated to be between 8,000-12,000 along the entire beachfront including the British beaches. The difference was the British was opposed by a newly outfitted 21st Panzer Group.

Probably the biggest battle that America had in Europe in which they claimed a victory was the Battle of The Bulge. That battle was in essence a victory by Germany although a strategic loss because of the unnecessary gamble taken by Hitler. Had the Germans not run out of fuel and supplies the story would have been much different and if Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery, who had taken charge of the situation on the northern flank, had not swung his reserves southward to forestall the Germans at the crossings of the Meuse a complete retreat would have occurred.

The Italian landings and battles consisted mainly of efforts by Britain, Canada and the US with assistance from France, New Zealand, Algeria, India, Morocco, Poland. In both Sicily and Italy, the UK and Canada did the lion's amount of works whilst the US managed to get itself both the easier assignments and in the case of Italy needed huge help from Canada to not completely fail in the beginning. Again, in war courage is measured by sacrifice and the USA was at the bottom of the list. Unsurprisingly, the best performances by the US were the Combined Special Forces, the Black regiment and the Japanese regiment.

Throughout the European campaigns, the US was always looked upon as the junior partner because of the lack of professionalism within its army, navy and air force. With few exceptions (5) most of its leaders were inexperienced and certainly not battle-hardened by any stretch of the imagination. Consider this, between the Naval Academy and West Point, collectively they produced less than 12,000 professionally trained officers for the entire war. And these were the men up against German soldiers who in most instances had many campaigns to their credit. In the European theatre, it really became a numbers game rather than a battle of skills. Yes, the US CONTRIBUTED but once the Russians had pushed the Germans back of their heels the fate of Germany was set.

Overall France suffered 210,000 troop deaths, the British Commonwealth 563,000, Russia 11,470,000 and the US 407,000. Civilian deaths which were the direct result of military action were France, 407,000, Great Britain, Australia, Canada & India 156,600, Russia 16,000,000 and the US 12,100.

Edit: looks like they tried their shit in ShitAmericansSay after the initial thread was crossposted there.

Wow, what a nice wall of text. But I was not talking about contribution to war effort, but about the fact that freedom, democracy, rule of law and human rights are not authentic German values, the way they are American, British and French values; they were forced down Germany's throat after Germans fought against them twice.

It just seem bizzare Germans could muster enough pride to challenge the USA on moral grounds even though everything moral in modern Germany owes itself to American intervention.

You talking about the Asia-Pacific front is a brilliant point, because the USA also acted as an absolute arbiter and bringer of democracy in Japan as well. The difference is that an idea of inferiority of Japan vis a vis the USA developed quite naturally, and became the norm in Japan, the USA, and the whole world, the idea that Japan's authentic self is that of a brutal and amoral nation saved solely through America's tough love.

Lmao.