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[–] [email protected] 116 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (34 children)

Yes, the planet was destroyed in the name of insatiable capitalist greed.

But for one shining moment in time, we created a lot of value for shareholders!

(and just to be crystal clear, not you)

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/18/the-wealthiest-10percent-of-americans-own-a-record-89percent-of-all-us-stocks.html

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (19 children)

The planet will be fine. It's us that should be worried.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (3 children)

For the love of christ, stop saying that. Every single time someone makes this comment. We. Get. It.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Do we? Because the absolutely astonishing sense of self-importance humans have would indicate otherwise.

Other beings live here, and while humans fuck humans over in the name of greed and power, we bulldoze entire ecosystems without any consideration for the other creatures that lived here whatsoever.

No, you're wrong. Most humans live, act, and speak as if the entire world, hell the entire universe, should be bent to better serve our naive, entitled species exclusively.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's a thought-terminating cliche that serves to downplay the problem because "hurr durr the animals will be okay" (even though they actually won't since we're in the middle of the Anthropocene mass extinction, but never mind that) and to act as a derailment tactic.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

This is the best explanation I've seen for this

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I don't read it that way, quite the opposite. So, so many people act like this is mostly about protecting the climate or the environment or animals, not about protecting our way of life. The way so many frame it as protecting the earth makes it so easy to make it sound optional.

But the world will be okay, it doesn't need protecting. It's the 8 billion humans that RELY on the world AS IT IS NOW that will be fucked. It's human protection, not ecological protection.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

Nature will inevitably adjust. This isn't the first mass extinction and it won't be the last. I'm more concerned about agriculture and how the changing climate could lead to mass starvation, refugee issues, etc. The animals can inherit the Earth after we blow ourselves up with nukes.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

There are a lot of people still waking up to the situation so I think it's worth saying even if you personally have heard it many times.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'll stop saying it the minute people stop saying we're destroying the planet.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Only an idiot thinks that when we say *we are destroying the planet " they literally means the planet will explode or something. It's clear that we mean the only part of the planet that is meaningful for us, the biosphere.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

But it's the idiots that CONSTANTLY argue that the world will be fine. The framing of it as protection of animals/the planet/the climate makes it incredibly easy for people to pretend it's optional, not directly related to them. This isn't a hypothetical point, EVERY SINGLE climate discussion I've ever witnessed some mouthbreather has argued that "the climate will continue to exist, it doesn't need protecting".

What needs protecting isn't the planet, the ecology, the animals or plants, it's US. It's ENTIRELY an US problem.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Which we also won't destroy. Life on earth will adapt, but we're making it inhospitable for ourselves.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, I guess all the life forms that are going extinct through the Holocene/anthropogene extinction event, which humans caused, don't matter?

Sure there will be life on earth and it will adapt, but don't act like we're not taking down whole families of plants and animals with us.. because it's already happening.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Honestly, I really don't care about what happens to the planet after all humans are extinct...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Look genius- we know the planet will be just fine. When ppl say we are destroying the planet we obvious (except to you) are talking about our own survival on the planet.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Again Sherlock, nobody is talking about the frame of view of random animals that may or may not be fine. We are only talking about our frame of reference.

If you actually considered the semantics of "technically some people will still be alive but living in a mad max like apocalypse or jellyfish will be fine" means that our biosphere hasn't been destroyed for humans you are being ridiculously pedantic.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm sure that will make all of the plants and animals feels better..../s.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

People have refused to say that for centuries.

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