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Hello! This will be the first of our weekly discussions. This thread will be pinned in the local timeline all week long and I hope that everyone feels encouraged to voice their opinion.

This thread will be locked after a week. Make sure to join the discussion in time!

This weeks topic is: AI "art" and its impact on the furry fandom and artists.

Here are some guideline questions that you can use:

  • What are your opinions on AI generated text and images?
  • Should furry spaces allow AI generated images?
  • What do you think are the use cases for these tools?
  • What long-term impact do you believe it will have on the fandom and the fandom's artists?
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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So, I'm a programmer and my thoughts here apply to AI generated code and ChatGPT writing as well.

I think these kinds of modern generative AIs create derivative works based on their inputs. Which means that the training data should consist of only public domain materials or other works that give you an explicit right to use them for training purposes. Blindly scraping the internet for training data without regard to the owner's wishes is immoral and IMO should be copyright infringement.

Also, I don't care how legal it is, but if you are a big social media megacorp and start charging money or putting restrictions on "your" training data, I hope you get a special place in hell. Thinking of Reddit, Twitter, DeviantArt and Microsoft here.

I can't think of any justification that isn't emotional to say that AI generated art isn't "art". Writing a prompt is I guess technically an artistic expression. However, I wouldn't classify it as "digital art"; it's its own thing. To me, it'd be like taking a photograph, and then claiming you painted it. It should be marked as "AI generated", and categorized separately.

Ultimately, IMO it shouldn't be banned across the entire fandom (if such a thing were possible), but I would not feel comfortable interacting with a place where AI material was not marked as such, or a place where they reserve the right to use your media for training. Even then, if I were given a choice in a place where I frequented, I would say "no" to allowing AI art.

Personally, I'm very negative about AI generated media, and try to avoid it where possible. Maybe that's because I'm old and grumpy, or maybe it's just because I'm scared of it. But I wouldn't willingly use these tools for anything creative I'm involved in.

I think this AI thing has effects on all of society, not just the furry fandom. The proliferation of AI has its tendrils on many places of society at the moment, and could have drastic changes on many of the ways we live our life. And, of course, nobody really has any idea on how to deal with this, and it's controlled basically by megacorps. I could go into detail about this, but it's... A bit bleak.

This is unironically one of the things that gives me a lot of anxiety and stress.

To answer the original question though, I think in its current form and without massive societal change, not only the furry fandom but society in general would be strongly negatively impacted.

... Of course, I did get a bit curious, and maaay have asked ChatGPT to clean up a first draft of this post, just to see how it all works. I wonder how good people are at noticing things like that?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Hey, just trying to calm your anxiety. There will always be people like us fighting big corporation with open source. Here a list of all open language models as an example.

Join the fight, always recommend people oss alternatives, use these alternatives yourself, contribute to them. Use Firefox instead everything else that is Google based an so on.

Instead of turning away I would recommend you to play around with self-hosted variants, like this for text and this for images. Know your enemy ;). This is what helped me, since I had a similar reaction as you in the beginning.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I agree with pretty much everything you said. I think Ai art is fine as long as it's properly marked as such and the training data can be traced back to the original creater and their consent was given to use their work for Ai purposes.

Once the honeymoon is over I believe Ai will become just another tool that can be used to speed up different tasks. Some will try to fully automate processes with Ai, but especially in art I don't think it will ever come close to replace stuff created by humans. (At least I hope so)