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The political philosophy of liberalism is centered around the concept of private property and removing the ceiling for the individual to achieve. Anti-capitalists may espouse the ideals of individual liberty, but should not be labeled liberals.
The normative basis of private property, which capitalists claim to adhere to, is people's inalienable right to appropriate the positive and negative fruits of their labor. Capitalism routinely violates this principle in the employment contract. Satisfying the principles of private property would require that all firms be worker cooperatives. The principles of liberalism imply anti-capitalism. It is entirely compatible to be a liberal and an anti-capitalist @asklemmy
I disagree, you're ascribing values to structures that are agnostic towards those.
It is not liberal to construct a market of Worker co-ops, but it is absolutely in line with Market Socialism.
When I said capitalists there I meant liberal defenders of capitalism.
A market economy of worker coops has private property, so can't be socialist. Market socialism is a misnomer and unnecessarily associates with a label people already have preconceived notions about @asklemmy
A market economy of Worker co-ops has full worker ownership of the Means of Production. This is the basis of Socialism, so it's aptly named. It cannot be Capitalist, as it has no Capitalists. Calling it "private property" is technically correct but betrays the idea that it's Capitalistic.
Worker co-ops don't necessarily have full worker ownership of the means of production because a worker coop can lease means of production from a third party. It is not socialist. Nor do I mean to suggest it is capitalist. It can't be capitalism as it has no capitalists as you correctly point out. Since you recognize that it is technically correct to say a worker co-op market economy has private property, you recognize
Capitalism โ private property @asklemmy
So by your perspective, if the Workers co-ops cannot lease from a third party, would that be Socialist?
Capitalism does not equal private property, but at the same time liberalism is about Capitalism and individual ownership of property.
Perhaps, but there isn't a good reason to place such a restriction on worker co-ops. Worker co-ops shouldn't be forced to buy the entire thing when a segment of its services would do.
Liberals as a group tend to support capitalism. Liberalism as a political philosophy can have implications that claimed adherents don't endorse. After mapping out all the logical implications of liberal principles, it becomes clear that coherent liberalism is anti-capitalist @asklemmy