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this post was submitted on 14 Feb 2024
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Highly interesting.
I think this sentence is missing the alternative method to #AccountMigration:
"The way out is because you can leave without severing connections."
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@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] The alternative is making a new account and re-adding the same people.
I had to do that when I moved from Mastodon to Friendica.
I didn't knew this thing that you can't migrate your follower from mastodon to friendica ๐
From mastodon to pleroma (and i think also misskey) it works.
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@[email protected] I understand your difficulties, but always remember that Friendica is compatible with ActivityPub BUT it works with a different protocol and its profiles are particular objects that contain a kind of unique key
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@[email protected] @[email protected] it used to work with a different protocol, Friendica has been ActivityPub based longer than Mastodon has been alive.
Always remember that Mastodon is well established to be a poor neighbor in the AP community, not supporting the full spec and often implementing their own non-standard solutions.
@[email protected] I'm actually pretty sure Friendica put up Activitypub a few months later than mastodon, but otherwise I agree with what you say.
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Well, migrating followers (just followers) should really be a standard feature of ActivityPub then.
One that must be implemented by all the supposed AP compatible projects
Nobody is gonna buy the theoretical reach of all the same people, like real freedom to change fediverse provider.
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@[email protected] In reality, when it comes to migrations, Friendica does much more than any other ActivityPub-compatible platform, such as importing all the messages and contents of the old profile...
Friendica cannot be responsible for Mastodon's flaws ๐คท๐ฝโโ๏ธ
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@[email protected] @[email protected] Some platforms have specifically gone out of their way to support Mastodon's non-standard functions... that doesn't make them standard or a platform as deficient for not supporting them.
A lot of that has to do with the relationship between them, where many of those are newer platforms inspired by and emulating Mastodon. Friendica on the other hand is one of the old school platforms that looooong predates Mastodon, so supporting any of their non-standard stuff is a monumental task (it's easy to support something when you're starting from scratch)
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I did this using a Tool migrating from the (now) #DeadBirdSite.
Still, not being able to migrate the convos is NOT an "alternative", but an *escape hatch*."
One example, that many will know:
Imagine, that you invented 1000's of hours uploading and curating pics and shorts on your #Instagram account.
For whatever reason, you cannot maintain your account. Starting a new one, you lose all your work (it's not just...
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...just the pics, but the interaction with contacts.)
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I know:
...there are tools for exporting (beside the point)
...many people here even autodelete there posts (utterly different use-case)
...it's better than on most corporate sites (yes, but still just "rudimentary" flexibility, at least on #Mastodon.)
...that #Firefish(?) (still?) supports own-post migration (but that was no choice when I joined)
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Like I said before, all of that is non-standard functions that the vast majority of the fediverse doesn't even support.
I think you might be confusing ease and possibility. Few people even when moving instances within the fediverse are going to have that option (save for those moving between two instances of the same platform).
It's not whether there's some convenient tool to move your posts or other data.
It's about whether after the move you can still get the same updates and talk to the same people.
Think of it in terms of the oldest surviving federated network: changing email accounts.
Before SMTP (the federated email protocol), you had to have accounts on every server with people you wanted to talk to. After you only had to have one account, but could readily move about the network to other servers if you got fed up with your server's bullshit or another offered better services.
(And for the record, public bridges with no opt-out methods exist for email as well)
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