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Just to get it out of my system: To address Brutus directly, Caesar would have employed the vocative case, which would be “Brute”.
He didn't want to appear pro-vocative.
if he said anything at all, he said it in greek, and didnt call him by his name, so no. the latin thing is a shakespearean invention i think.
If we're going for realism he'd probably not be saying a whole lot after he got stabbed for the umpteenth time, even if the knife was led by his adoptive son
Your name changes based on tense? That's rude.
Nominative - Brutus got on his horse.
Genitive - He got on horse Bruti. ("He got on Brutus's horse" - look I don't know how to make that look right in English)
Dative - He gave the horse to Bruto.
Accusative - The horse bit Brutum.
Vocative - Brute, get on the horse.
Ablative - He stole the horse from Bruto.
Think that sucks? The plurals are Bruti, Brutorum, Brutis, Brutos, Bruti, and Brutis.
Fascinating, but also kinda dumb. I'm glad that language is dead.
it's dumb because it's done wrong. indoeuropean cases are just stupid as fuck.
look at how it works in hungarian or finnish, those are sensible systems.
Isn't Finnish the language with 38 verb tenses or something mad like that?
Translation
Järjestelmä is system everything else is added on top of that
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more like 15-20 i think, but yeah. but they're far more regular and behave more like prepositions do in english.
the worst part of IE cases isnt that there's so many of them (there arent, the most ever is like 8-9 and that's in ancient languages i think), it's that each little case marker means a multitude of things at once. see above how it ending in -i means it's one of multiple possibilities, and each time that lone little -i is marking both case and number together.
so for the above Dative example, hungarian would have (contrived, yes, i know):
Odaadta a lovat a Brutusznak - He/She gave the horse to Brutus. Odaadta a lovat a Brutuszoknak - He/She gave the horse to the Brutuses.
the -nak signifies the dative (more or less). the -(o)k is the plural. so a plural in dative is -oknak. it's not some third thing, it's just a concatenation of the individual suffixes marking number, case, etc.
Cases for nouns, not verb tenses.
Czech still does this
ROMANES EUNT DOMUS
People from Romane go around the house?