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Public officials in Tennessee can now refuse to grant a marriage license to anyone at their own discretion, for any reason.

Republican Gov. Bill Lee signed into law House Bill 878 on Wednesday, which took effect immediately. The bill — just a few sentences in length — only states that "a person shall not be required to solemnize a marriage." Only state notary publics, government officials, and religious figures can "solemnize" a marriage in Tennessee, according to state code.

None of the sponsors behind the bill have been made public statements on its introduction or passage, nor have they given comment to media organizations. The only known remarks regarding the law from state Rep. Monty Fritts (take a guess), who sponsored it in the House, are from February of last year, when he spoke to the state Subcommittee on Children and Family Affairs.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (3 children)

This headline is so headline grabby. Sure the local fucking bigot won't do it, but practically anyone can qualify as eligible for solemnizing a marriage.

I think it's real shitty what they did and are trying to do, don't get me wrong, but LGBTQ are not going away and there's a lot more supporters than haters out there. Even in red states many supporters remain silent to avoid the loud dumb bigots.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I can see making an exception for "religious figures" but the idea that a public servant, like a government official or to lesser extent notary public, can deny service to someone based on their personal beliefs is problematic and certainly something that should be reported on.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago

They're doing this to tee up a challenge to Obergefell.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Sure, but is issuing a marriage license "solemnizing" the marriage?

The real issue here is that public employees are allowed to bestow different services on different members of the public just based on how they feel. In a Good Old Boys jurisdiction, this could in practice outlaw gay marriage because all it takes is a consistent hiring practice to only get the "right kind" of clerk who won't issue gay marriage licenses, and it becomes impossible to get one. That can happen in significant percentages of jurisdictions.

Sure, it violates equal protection Constitutional rights, but somehow I think this Supreme Court would find that First Amendment "right to express religious bigotry" wins if those are in conflict.

Edit: I don't have time to review the statute but Shadrach makes good points. If that's accurate to the statute, that wouldn't allow clerks to refuse to issue marriage licenses.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Sure, but is issuing a marriage license “solemnizing” the marriage?

No. The County Clerk's office issues marriage licenses before the marriage is solemnized, and the officiant who solemnizes the marriage then turns the license back in, completed.

Basically you get issued the license to permit the marriage, someone accepts that paperwork and solemnizes the marriage (usually in some variety of ceremony, as befits your cultural and religious preferences), then that person (the officiant) completes the license and submits it back to the state to inform them it's been done.

The Tennessee law in question essentially says that just because someone is allowed to officiate a marriage in Tennessee doesn't mean they are required to if they have some issue with the pairing. AKA you can't force a preacher from a decidedly anti-LGBT church to marry you just because they are a preacher. Likewise for not being able to force the local Grand Wizard to solemnize your interracial marriage. Or any other reason someone might not want to officiate literally every marriage presented to them.

Sure, it violates equal protection Constitutional rights,

Does it? It's not a state employee performing their job function that's given this leeway. The County Clerk is still required to issue the marriage license and is still required to accept and process completed ones, even if they disagree with those pairings.

It's the person performing the wedding that is given leeway to decide who they are willing to marry, and the options there are broad enough that it doesn't meaningfully restrict you (there are about 102,000 notaries public as well as an assortment of current and former elected officials and literally any clergy of any faith).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

That might count, though FSM is often in a grey area because it's usually primarily a satire of religion rather than claiming to actually be one. The list of who can solemnize marriage in Tennessee is here:

https://www.nashville.gov/departments/county-clerk/marriage-license/who-can-solemnize

Clergy mostly fall under:

All regular ministers, preachers, pastors, priests, rabbis and other religious leaders of every religious belief, more than eighteen (18) years of age, having the care of souls

Military and law enforcement chaplains have their own items in the list, further down. Apparently they don't count as "regular" clergy?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

36-3-301(a)(2): Persons receiving online ordinations may not solemnize the rite of matrimony.

They already thought of that.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

"real shitty"

does that mean it doesn't affect you so fuck it who cares ? Because we did that in the USA for centuries and fuck that. It was real shittier.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

does that mean it doesn’t affect you so fuck it who cares ?

No