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    [–] [email protected] 28 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    Android is Linux, they literally use the Linux kernel. They replace most other stuff, but Linux it is.

    They even work towards mainline kernel support, making updates easier for longer times.

    Android is a good example, why "Linux" is not a good term for "Desktop Gnu+Linux".

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    I think they use some very old and heavily modified version of the Linux kernel, so it's not the same Linux kernel we use on desktop. Then each phone manufacturer adds custom patches on top to support their hardware. GNU/Linux phones also require a custom kernel, but the community is working on upstreaming those patches, so that they can run mainline kernel some day (PinePhone Pro and Librem 5 probably already can now, but some stuff might not work).

    Yeah, using the name Linux for both the kernel and the operating system makes no sense and it's super confusing. When people say Linux when talking about the operating system, they almost always mean GNU/Linux (like Linux Mint, Arch Linux, etc). But then there is Alpine Linux, which isn't GNU/Linux and that makes things even more confusing. If I didn't know what Alpine Linux or Arch Linux was (and had no knowledge of distro names), based on their name I would assume they are some kind of fork of the Linux kernel. Arch Linux should have really been called Arch GNU/Linux and Alpine Linux should have just been called Alpine OS.

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    They use the current LTS kernel that exists when the phone exists. If your phone has an outdated kernel (mine had one too, and I thought the same) it is simply really outdated.

    Yeah the problem lies in the many Distros I think. The BSDs are all different bundles, not like Linux+Gnu+Systemd+pipewire+wayland+glibc and some minor differences. FreeBSD is actually different from OpenBSD for example. Then Android is also a single project, just like this "modern desktop linux bundle".

    [–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

    Oh, I thought they used a way older one. If it's current LTS, then it's not old at all.