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Survey of 154 scholars places 45th president behind even ‘historically calamitous chief executives’ linked to civil war

Donald Trump finished 45th and rock bottom of a list ranking US presidents by greatness, trailing even “historically calamitous chief executives” who failed to stop the civil war or botched its aftermath.

Worse for the likely Republican nominee this year, his probable opponent, Joe Biden, debuted at No 14.

“Biden’s most important achievements may be that he rescued the presidency from Trump, resumed a more traditional style of presidential leadership and is gearing up to keep the office out of his predecessor’s hands this fall,” Justin Vaughn and Brandon Rottinghaus, the political scientists behind the survey, wrote in the Los Angeles Times.

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[–] [email protected] 155 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Honestly, if you talk to most presidential historians they will tell you that you need about 20 years to pass before you can accurately assess a president. There's too many unknowns that will come to light only years or decades after a term ends, Eisenhower is a great example of this. So these rankings are likely to change over the years.

Although, having seen Trump's predilection for fraud, decit, and self-serving, I'd be shocked if he rebounds as more information comes out.

[–] [email protected] 83 points 9 months ago (2 children)

In 20 years, we could be up to 48 presidents or more, so you're right, trump's rating could get even lower. Hopefully no one beats him.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 9 months ago (1 children)

In 20 years, the number of presidents might not have increased.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Even if the US falls into a dictatorship it's not very likely that Trump makes it to 97.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

good point, surprised he made it through the stresses of being president once.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's not stressful when you don't do anything and don't care about anything and others around you.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

Exactly he spent four years being applauded and complaining about the food.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

In his eyes that’s called winning.

Also, Fuck Putin, that horrible man.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Can you elaborate on Eisenhower, please?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago

Eisenhower was always seen as aloof, sort of a figurehead, during his presidency. However, years after, once his papers were made public, a much different view of Eisenhower started to take shape. He was seen more as a hands-on leader. I believe he was in the 15-20th range in the 80s, but by 2000 was up to 9th, and recently up to 5th (8th in current poll).

Here's a preview of a journal article that touches on it a bit.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/1901942

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

Not yet anyway. Let's hope we don't reach a time when there's a debate whether someone deserves the spot instead of Trump.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

I dunno, perhaps they should change the ranking to throw in some additional items like foot fungus, head lice, 2nd-hand dog vomit and such... and then Trump would remain in last place!? :-P

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

At least he didn't start a global war on drugs

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I did time for growing mushrooms and have trauma from the drug war.

I rank Trump as worse than Nixon.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

For what reasons is that?