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Chocolate Chip Cookies (lemmy.world)
submitted 9 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think it goes something like this:

  • Dems are (rightly) scared to death of another Trump presidency.
  • Therefore Dems feel they should do everything they can to avoid a Trump presidency.
  • By trying to make everyone think the only realistic alternative (Biden) is not just better, but vastly better.
  • And when they see criticism of Biden (especially from left-of-what-the-U.S.-considers-center), they start having visions of Trump in the Oval Office again and panicking.
  • Fear leads to anger, anger to hate, hate to pretending Biden's perfect.
  • Because if they admit Biden isn't perfect, the vast numbers (/s) of centrists who haven't decided who to vote for in the general election might vote for Trump.

It's the same logic as crypto "investors." Their favorite cryptocurrency only goes up and they only make money off of it if they portray it as perfect. And pretty soon they stop differentiating between what makes line go up and what is actually true entirely. (And they absolutely cannot under any circumstances admit to even the tiniest flaw or valid criticism of the coins they're invested in.)

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Who is pretending Biden's perfect?! From where are y'all pulling this stuff?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm mostly referring to what this article is saying.

But more centrist Democrats, including those most likely to have appended "Blue Wave" and "Resistance" labels to their social media accounts in the Trump years, were appalled at what they saw as a betrayal by one of their own.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

That article is based around four tweets from total randos and the hot takes of a couple famous people. And none of them anywhere state or even imply Biden's perfect

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

They have a doctor with rubber gloves and a flashlight that helps them figure out what liberals are thinking.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

Projection, mostly.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

The judgements against Biden from moderates or defenders of moderates are superficial at best and never go into detail about how we avoid this situation in the future. For example, if we do agree that we should be forced into a choice between Biden and Trump then what does that say about the people who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries? If we don't call out that decision as selfish and foolish then it virtually guarantees the same thing will happen in the future.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You think the people who voted for Biden in the primaries are selfish and foolish? Why aren't they allowed to choose the candidate they prefer? Fucking Bernie Sanders threw his weight behind Biden and supports him 100%

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Why aren’t they allowed to choose the candidate they prefer?

I'm going to vote 3rd party in the 2024 general election. I'm allowed to vote for any candidate I prefer yes?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You sure are. As for me, I'm firmly outside the "both sides are just as bad" camp.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Do you think I'm selfish and foolish for voting 3rd party?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think people who think "both sides are just as bad" are pretty much fine with another Trump presidency and everything that comes along with that. What do you think about another Trump presidency?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think people who voted for Joe Biden in the 2020 primaries would rather lose to Trump than compromise with leftists.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think you're ignoring all the actual overtures to the progressive wing of the party Biden's administration has made, and his actual legislative accomplishments, which are genuinely more progressive than any administration since Lyndon Johnson. I think dismissing him because you don't get 100% of what you want is not productive in a democratic system that requires compromise and consensus

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"overtures"? There's a wide chasm between overtures and 100% of what I wanted. And you're ignoring that this argument can be turned back the other way. Moderates would have gotten almost everything they wanted with a candidate like Warren, Bernie, Pete or some of the other candidates.

You are illustrating the complete lack of compromise by moderates while lecturing me for being unsatisfied with "overtures".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Did you only read the first half of the first sentence I wrote?