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I believe this is a great example of a "straw man argument". A false and easy to knock down claim is made and said to represent your opponent, then it's knocked it down and said, "see how weak your position is?".
Minors are almost never offered permanent physical modification anywhere in the world, and every effort is made to allow time for figuring things out. That's the whole point of puberty blockers, they delay potentially horrifying changes to allow a few more years to for such a major life decision.
I'm a trans person myself and have been through all of this. I've had to go over incredible hurdles with nearly everyone trying to make any gender affirming care difficult, expensive, and paid for out-of-pocket. I had to bust my ass and become and engineer so that could afford thousands in psychologists and $35K for surgery on top of living expenses.
I didn't become trans because a drag queen read me a book or trans lady made a bud light video, that's the stupidest shit I've ever heard.
What was my false claim? That those identifying as trans are going through psychological stress because they’re uncomfortable with their bodies? If someone identifies as trans and it isn’t because they aren’t comfortable with the body they were born with and truly believe they belong to the opposite sex, I’m pretty sure that’s just cross-dressing. If the trans community truly wants acceptance and support, they need to distance themselves from those who are just “trans” for a kink or internet and social points.
Almost never isn’t never. It should be never.
That’s propaganda. Do you seriously believe stopping a normal biological process has no lasting effects? Even if it was true that a biological process could simply be paused, if a child is uncomfortable with their current body, would “pausing” it in that state not further make them hate themselves? Sounds like abuse to me.
I don’t think anyone ever has. Also, who’s straw-manning now?
Besides all that, my comment was that if you’re having psychological stress, seek psychological help, not surgical. I don’t see how that’s controversial.
Besides all that, my comment was that's already the case, if you think otherwise stop getting your news from Fox.
Literally never watch or read Fox, lol. Stop strawmanning.
Maybe not Fox specifically, but you have the same incorrect talking points as all of right-wing echo chamber.
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There are people going to drag shows with guns to stop drag queens from reading books to kids. There are people giving death threats regarding a trans woman making a bud light video. It's clear the implication is that the drag queens are trying to turn kids trans, recruit or spread the gay otherwise what's the problem (for the right)? So that is not a straw man, it's evidence based.
You were strawmanning me. You have no evidence that I support those actions or beliefs, which I don’t.