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In response to the SBC’s decision to expel churches led by women (www.nytimes.com)

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I’m a Canadian, so all of this has been happening at a distance for me. That being said, my heart breaks for all the people affected by this decision.

Holding to male-only leadership as being ordained by God has become an untenable perspective: biblically, logically, and experientially.

First, let’s ask the question - assuming that male-only leadership is God’s will - is there a functional difference between men and women which justifies this hierarchy?

If no, then we are left with the conclusion that God has arbitrarily created a hierarchical division between humanity. Personally, I don’t see how one can defend this view in light of the major biblical theme of equalization - that hills will be made low and valleys filled in, the wise will become foolish, and the foolish will be made wise.

If yes, then this functional difference must be in their ability to lead. If it’s anything else (e.g., the quality of having a penis), then it’s the same as being arbitrary.

So then, are women incapable of leadership?

It seems impossible to me to answer “yes” to this question. Clearly, there are plenty of women with the ability to lead. To deny that is ignorance.

Obviously, women are capable of leadership.

Of course, proponents of male-only leadership may argue that, on the whole, men are typically better at leadership than women, just as men are generally taller than women, though not every man is taller than every woman. But this completely breaks down, because it means that gender isn’t the difference after all - it’s simply ability. And if this is the case, then regardless of generalizations, individuals with the ability to lead should lead, whatever their gender.

There is no Jew or Greek, slave or free, male and female; since you are all one in Christ Jesus.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Thank you for that. I hadn’t really thought about Acts 15 that way but it is so fitting. And I agree, the Bible is a testament to the Word. The Word is Christ. I feel privileged to have this collection of writings from people who struggled back and forth with issues of faith just as we do today. I love that the compilers and canonizers were fine with those contradictions and wanted to enshrine the diversity of our faith. The contradictions inherent in that earnest back and forth are nothing to be confused or embarrassed about, they are the very point of scripture to me. Highlighting Acts 15 as you did above shows this evolving in action, led by the Holy Spirit. The Bible isn’t a magic rule book. It’s there to show you ways people who shared our faith for 3,000 years approached a relationship with God.

Unfortunately, for a lot of Americans, there is so much prideful tribalism tied up in particular ways of understanding the Bible that I’m afraid admitting literal inerrancy is too limiting would shatter their identities. But that requires a few more books worth of material…

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

Paul did not say Mary and Junia were preaching all over the place in Romans 16. He just said they were fellow believers, and that Junia had been in prison with him.

Concerning circumcision, since it was mentioned, is similar to other command in the OT. God gives different commands at different times, for different reasons. Many of these commands in the OT were to be a foreshadow of something else to come. Jesus didn't come to change all those rules, but the purpose of many of those rules were fulfilled with the coming of Christ, and the birth of the church.

You asked why Paul said what he did in 1 Timothy 2:12. Keep reading and he explains it. 1 Timothy 2:13-14 KJV — For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Women are more easily deceived than men. And men more easily give in to doing wrong if asked to do so by women. So, one reason to have men in leadership in church is to help prevent false teaching in the church. And most times I have seen churches with female pastors, they teach that certain sins are okay, and that church goes along with it. Not allowing women in leadership isn't just an anti-female rule, but its saying men are weak and less likely to stand up for truth in that situation. This is why most churches will not allow women in leadership. Because if you are not following the scriptures, then you are just making it up as you go.