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I was listening to some writings on Marx by Lenin the other day and as far as I understood it: materialism is the idea that consciousness is a byproduct material interactions within reality as opposed to the idealist conception that reality only exists within and as a construct of consciousness. Marx extended the materialist conception in dialectical materialism to consider social interactions and structures as material conditions that are also required to produce consciousness. Lenin also writes of Marx's belief that religion and theology is inherently idealist, and that ideas like agnosticism that tried reconcile religion and materialism were reactionary or a "shame-faced way of surreptitiously accepting materialism, while denying it before the world".

the above paragraph is of course a gross oversimplification of idealism, materialism and dialectical materialism, and may be partially or entirely wrong. I found the original text to be quite difficult to comprehend and this is just how I understood it, so if I'm wrong about anything please correct me.

moving on, it seems to me that many Marxist-Leninists think that one of many contributing factors to the decline and collapse of the USSR was the suppression of religion, especially as it did not seem to be particularly effective given how quickly religion returned after the collapse. with all the aforementioned in mind, I have a few questions:

  • do you think that religion is antithetical to dialectical materialism?

  • was suppression of religion in the USSR enforced out of a belief by the party that it contradicted the principles of Marxism–Leninism?

  • would a socialist state with a party that strictly adhered to Marxism–Leninism but allowed religious freedom among its citizenship be stable?

  • would a hypothetical state be able to cultivate material conditions that lead people to willingly give up religion, if said state decided that religion was a threat to its sovereignty?

  • have you personally experienced any cognitive dissonance from simultaneously holding religious and Marxist-Leninist beliefs?

  • I haven't read/listened to a whole lot of theory, what literature would you recommend to better understand dialectical materialism?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

how do you think this could be addressed? I get the impression that the soviet union's strategy of active suppression was ineffective at best.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Attacking the material basis for religion in society, I guess.

I don't think that's going to happen though because I don't see the vast majority of people, literally ever, accepting the reality of existence in the universe.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

do you think it is possible to determine the material basis of religion? do you think it varies by religion or region?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'd say the strongest thing that creates religiousity is hardship, clearly. The most religious people have been through the most shit (or are using it cynically to paste over their failings). Suffering is, in my experience, what ferments religiousness.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Religious beliefs and adherence in the ussr plummeted over the course of a few generations. If you teach a materialist concept of reality people will accept a material concept of reality.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I'm not sure. Education is probably important. Not letting people who believe things like "Climate change is good because it is God's plan" into teaching positions and other positions of power on competency grounds is also probably a good idea.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Maybe you could find an answer to your question by looking at the growth of irreligion in Czechia under communism. Compare their model to the Soviets. Maybe they did something different that worked in the long term.