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meh. more fud
meta hasnt declared or made any intention of overtaking the fediverse, but that hasnt stopped a metric fuckton of people freakin the fuck out or generating fud blog post after fud blog post
its like claiming meta is going to overtake and own email because they stood up an email server.
Yes! That is most literally true!
People doubt the face value benign intension of Meta with regard to the Fediverse.
Which leaves uncertainty of their real intention.
Naturally causing fear of a self interested malicious intention.
Which all seem to be quite reasonable concerns, given Meta's market position and history.
so you agree, its all unfounded scare-mongering vlogs without any substantiating information regarding AP.
grooooovy
As I said, I agree with the literal facts. The implications in your phrasing I disagree with.
Instead of unfounded, I would call it unproven.
Instead of scaremongering I would say warning.
And generally I avoid using absolute terms like "all", since only it takes one counter example, to make such a statement factually wrong.
I absolutely love the clarity of this response
Facebook is literally arguing to the US federal government that regulations about social media usage by children, and the data they sell from it, aren't their problem but are the responsibility of Google and Apple.
Why do you trust them?
im sorry, whats that have to do with the interwebs maintaining neutral control of AP? sounds like ziiiilch.
lets keep apples to apples here in the fediverse
You think they're going to announce their intentions?
Can I sell you a home in Guatemala? It's the best deal you'll ever come across.
Which point? Or did you see the title and wrote your own narrative?
you bet, problem?
facebook have intention to maximize profit
Literally this. Right now you can’t create your own mail server because big corpos like Google, Microsoft is going to make you end up in spam folder.
Now, apply this to fediverse.
i run mail servers professionally and personally. youre right its not easy, but its not impossible. its a regular topic of self hosting.
but more to your point, how has meta usurped smtp? ok. now apply that to AP.
You can technically create but you can never be sure that your mails will received.
They don’t usurp the service but make it uncomfortable/unstable to you.
This is a distinction with little difference, which is convenient for them, because they can say well ackchyually we’re not stopping you from self-hosting
when in practical terms they are.
It's not just convenient for them to do it; it's how they are able to evade anti-trust action (not that the U.S. is great at it anyway but still). I also run my own mail server. It's not impossible, and I wouldn't even say it's even hard. It's just time consuming to set up (if it's the first time), and there are a lot of hurdles to make it so impractical that it's virtually impossible to the average person. Only the most patient or those who have a real desire to run their own mail server will even attempt it. Anyone can set up their own mail server, but most won't because it's not worth it compared to using something that just works from Google.
Yup, it’s very not trivial.
Carlos Fenollosa: After self-hosting my email for twenty-three years I have thrown in the towel. The oligopoly has won.
Jamie Zawinski (JWZ) agreed enough to boost Carlos’ post and has been documenting his own email pains for decades.
ha, uh. ok whatever you say there boss.
do you any actual information regarding meta controlling the AP protocol with their single instance and no seat at the protocol table, or is this all just a huge premature, knee-jerk reaction to a big scary corporation?
It is about power. If they have more than 50% of the users, then all other instances should comply with their changes and obey them. If they don’t, then they’ll be blocked by more than half of the users. No instance owner will take this risk.
I’m trying to explain you that you don’t really need to own something to own it. If you have enough power, you have it already.
You mean how people treat Mastodon.social?