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Lemmy.World Bots and the Fediverse's Leniency towards Licking Boots (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 9 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I am curious what can be done about the Lemmy.World era of botting corpo comments to protect their investments?

Anything remotely federated w/ LW has a massive hard-on for corporations (anti-piracy boot-lickers only added us back when we had the largest community in the fediverse), racism (you ain't american, you aint right), a desire to troll/argue in bad faith, and a general "fuck you, I have 500 accounts to down-vote with."

I myself have over 60 accounts on Lemmy.World; and because of that, I am 100% certain somebody has a type of SMM portal to scan for keywords and upvote/downvote accordingly.

Don't believe me?

Go post about Apple, Facebook, Tesla, or any other 1% owned entity, and watch which accounts upvote/downvote in less time than required to read the post.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I do hope you are aware that blocking Instances doesn't do anything besides blocking the communities on them.

Users can now block instances. Similar to community blocks, it means that any posts from communities which are hosted on that instance are hidden. However the block doesn’t affect users from the blocked instance, their posts and comments can still be seen normally in other communities.

I apologize if you already knew this, I know that many people don't and are under the impression that it behaves like Defederation. It blocking the communities is the sole and only purpose. They thought blocking users from an instance would be disruptive, and rightfully so.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah i know,
If i block lw now, i just boycott me self for nothing.
I just dont want to participate a lot on it if I can.

The day I block them, I will no "miss" content, and even will not miss LW users outside of it. Win win.

I would like big instances block them and create a movement but that's my POV.

I've experienced it already bc I prefer test rather than rtfm ^^" I'm still blocking users. That's two things. Blocking c from my eyes and ignoring users regrding them individually.

Unfortuantelly I'm aware that LW represent lenmy for a lot, for now, so that's still a good feature, regarding me.

But if a lot do that, others instances will see theirs c growing and maybe become the reference over the one on LW. Because of lack of activity on them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

I would like big instances block them and create a movement but that’s my POV.

That would be a good idea but honestly until the narrative around de-federation changes that probably isn't going to happen. There's this really weird idea of "user choice" or "freedom of speech" being important on the fediverse. It's weird because, just at an instance level, not even counting federation that isn't a thing, mods can ban you from the communities, admins can ban you from the instance itself, preventing you from even logging in (might be a Data privacy issue to go that far since laws exist allowing people to request and erase information but I digress) so if people don't even have user freedom or freedom of speech on their own instance without federation, why would or should that same concept not extend to federation? I mean ActivityPub was literally built for that purpose in mind, defederation and banning are features of it. It's not like Nostr where the network itself is resistant to censorship from individual nodes. The network allows and even intends for censorship to be used, and honestly one look at Nostr reveals why, when you don't apply a decent level of moderation, the trolls and assholes will rule and dominate.

Defederation needs to stop being viewed as "taking away user choice" and simply seen as something that is up to the admins, just like they can ban users at will, they can defederate at will, no further questions asked.