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A controversial rule restricting speech about Israel was dropped after artists abandoned festival lineups in Germany’s techno mecca.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

And that is why Vice is a trash publication. Here is the correct text:

„Alle potenziellen Zuwendungsempfängerinnen und –empfänger bekennen sich damit zu einer vielfältigen Gesellschaft und gegen jede Form von Antisemitismus gemäß der Antisemitismus-Definition der International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) und ihrer Erweiterung durch die Bundesregierung. Sie verpflichten sich dazu, alles Notwendige zu veranlassen, um sicherzustellen, dass die gewährten Fördergelder keinen Vereinigungen zugutekommen, die als terroristisch und/oder extremistisch eingestuft werden.“ "All potential grant recipients are thus committed to a diverse society and against all forms of antisemitism in accordance with the definition of antisemitism of the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) and its extension by the German government. They undertake to take all necessary steps to ensure that the funding granted does not benefit associations that are classified as terrorist and/or extremist."

https://www.tagesspiegel.de/kultur/chialo-erlass-gegen-antisemitismus-berlins-kultureinrichtungen-bekommen-neue-forderrichtlinien-11006422.html

And what is in the IHRA-definition?

"Anti-Semitism is a certain perception of Jews that can be expressed as hatred towards Jews. Anti-Semitism is directed in word or deed against Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property as well as against Jewish community institutions or religious institutions. In addition, the state of Israel, which is understood as a Jewish collective, can also be the target of such attacks."

https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/de/aussenpolitik/kultur-und-gesellschaft/-/216610

There's nothing in there about "criticising the countries occupation of Palestinian lands". You just can't fucking mask your antisemitism by raging against Israel.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

That is some valuable context, thank you. Definitely seems like skewed reporting from Vice. The definition as you posted it definitely seems better than what Vice reported, though its last sentence is so vague that it could easily be used to silence criticism, whether it was meant to do that or not.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

You can. because you referenced the IHRA "definition" of antisemitism adopted by themselves, the IHRA, in 2016

Aka

their own definition, criticized specifically for conflating antizionism with antisemitism

aka

the "definition" that led to 200 scholars making a new definition debunking it

aka a definition being used currently to silence free speech. If you're using it to silence critisism of israel you are weaponizing it against one of the original drafter's intentions.

So why not consider silence yourself? I've had quite enough of this ridiculous tantrum you call a point

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

That makes me even more confused. Are those artists now going to be allowed to play and spread antisemitism (as defined above)?