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Sovereign citizen has a totally sane question.
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SovCits are all like this: they want the benefits of living in our society but they don't want to pay any of the costs. They want to drive on the roads, but not pay taxes or vehicle registration. They want utilities like electricity and water, but not pay the bills. They think they're entitled to stuff without cost. They don't even want to pay their child support.
SovCits think words have an inherent magical power and knowing the right words gives them more power than if some other rando person. Their entitlement is from them thinking they have outsmarted the system. They are what dumb people think smart people act like.
I swear SovCits are an embedded cargo cult.
They're special magic words they had to go out of their way to learn, yet they expect everyone to understand them...
SovCits have been who boomers were really talking about when they said "millennials"?
“Sovereign citizen” is a really complicated way to say freeloader..
I mean, to be fair, I don't want to pay any of that either. If I could get away with not paying anything while getting all the benefits of paying, then I would, but im not an absolute moron so I pay my taxes and bills.
I don't know, maybe I'm a weirdo, but I don't actually want stuff for nothing. If I'm getting something from you, I want you to get something in return that makes it worth your while. I don't want you to rip me off, but I want you to be able to live off of what you provide me and others. Of course, I also want to be able to earn enough doing what I do to be able to afford to pay you for what you do.
This is about utilities, if someone doesn't think the often privatized, often monopoly utilities aren't spending every penny and second trying to squeeze you I don't know what to tell em
This isn't about a fair barter for fresh cow milk and the associated labor at the community market
I'm using my utilities and though not cheap, the costs don't seem outlandish to me. I have no basis for saying I should be able to use my utilities without paying for them.
Maybe what they’ve wanted this whole time is jail. Even free food and housing.
Same tbh, at least in the sense of wanting to be allowed to exist by default.
The difference is that we understand that real change needs to be ushered in for that to happen, while they just bury their heads in the sand and pretend it already did.
Yeah. To me it's more sad than funny though, I feel like they probably just want to feel like they have a little control over their lives and like they don't exist in the oppressive circumstances we objectively do, and there just isn't much hope that isn't fake.
I agree. Not everyone is smart. It’s usually not people’s fault if they aren’t smart. There’s a lot to keep track of in the modern world that didn’t exist in the past. Shit, it’s hard for me.
I think you’re doing fine.
Except they want much more than that. For instance they want every single benefit that you pay taxes for, but they don't want to pay the taxes. It's not that they all want to go live off grid and be their own person, they want to do everything you do and have everything you have, but they don't feel like they should have to pay for it.
You could be right, I don't actually know any of these people or frequent their discussion spaces, but the memes I'm seeing here including this one seem to reflect anxiety about the sorts of things poor people have to stress about. Like why would someone be begging for the internet to tell them how to make the electric company give them free electricity, unless they are really going through it?
I've watched a few trials of these guys because they're often entertaining. Most don't strike me as people struggling to make ends meet. They seem like self-entitled people who think they've discovered a loophole that gets them out of paying for things or suffering repercussions for their actions. Like they'll be fighting a ticket for driving without a license or registration and their argument is that they aren't constrained by those laws, and oh by the way, the flag behind the judge has a fringe that means it's a naval court and doesn't have jurisdiction over their case.
Look up the trial of Darrell Brooks, the guy who drove through a crowd of people at a parade (I want to say Wisconsin?). He was a SovCit and he had all sorts arguments about why the court didn't have jurisdiction over him.
Isn’t that libertarianism?
Libertarians are sovereign citizens who have the money to pay for real lawyers and the sense to listen to them.
You’re not wrong. In fairness, this is why we like to discuss the laws of the land, ones that have been written and such. Sovereign citizen has been always following the social contract - his. He just hasn’t been following the social contract - yours.
Grown entitled toddlers, got it.
So, they are Amish?
No, the Amish actually knows how to live without modern technology and are generally a self sustaining folk. Try to take a sovcit's phone away and see what happens.
Their media diet improves dramatically, but they remain an entitled cunt?