this post was submitted on 22 Jan 2024
71 points (100.0% liked)

news

23090 readers
238 users here now

Welcome to c/news! Please read the Hexbear Code of Conduct and remember... we're all comrades here.

Rules:

-- PLEASE KEEP POST TITLES INFORMATIVE --

-- Overly editorialized titles, particularly if they link to opinion pieces, may get your post removed. --

-- All posts must include a link to their source. Screenshots are fine IF you include the link in the post body. --

-- If you are citing a twitter post as news please include not just the twitter.com in your links but also nitter.net (or another Nitter instance). There is also a Firefox extension that can redirect Twitter links to a Nitter instance: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/libredirect/ or archive them as you would any other reactionary source using e.g. https://archive.today . Twitter screenshots still need to be sourced or they will be removed --

-- Mass tagging comm moderators across multiple posts like a broken markov chain bot will result in a comm ban--

-- Repeated consecutive posting of reactionary sources, fake news, misleading / outdated news, false alarms over ghoul deaths, and/or shitposts will result in a comm ban.--

-- Neglecting to use content warnings or NSFW when dealing with disturbing content will be removed until in compliance. Users who are consecutively reported due to failing to use content warnings or NSFW tags when commenting on or posting disturbing content will result in the user being banned. --

-- Using April 1st as an excuse to post fake headlines, like the resurrection of Kissinger while he is still fortunately dead, will result in the poster being thrown in the gamer gulag and be sentenced to play and beat trashy mobile games like 'Raid: Shadow Legends' in order to be rehabilitated back into general society. --

founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[โ€“] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

In that you're weren't making any of those criticisms & just writing them off as nationalists in the other reply, implying you'd prefer they eat shit anyways? I haven't seen any of those criticisms thrown out at the PSL or DSA on here, or the More Perfect Union people (who are legitimately nationalists if the slogan didn't give it away), neither of which accomplishes any electoral victories at all. Like the CPUSA they are a source of both optimism and deep consternation from me. I would like if they were more based like the Economic Freedom Fighters but South African politics is a nightmare and I'm not optimistic about Malema or Zyuganov becoming ML god emperor soon.

This kind of thing is what KRPF needs to quadruple down on if it's going to become a more successful party. We'll see.

I support every communist party simultaneously, and you can all deal with it. I am pleased with this as I am the Maoists in India executing Hindutva bastards.

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

implying you'd prefer they eat shit anyways

This is putting words in my mouth.

I haven't seen any of those criticisms thrown out at the PSL or DSA on here, or the More Perfect Union people (who are legitimately nationalists if the slogan didn't give it away), neither of which accomplishes any electoral victories at all. Like the CPUSA they are a source of both optimism and deep consternation from me

I personally maintain similar criticisms of PSL, CPUSA, and DSA (and I guess More Perfect Union although they're not any sort of party formation as far as I know), why assume I don't?

I support every communist party simultaneously, and you can all deal with it. I am pleased with this as I am the Maoists in India executing Hindutva bastards.

I broadly support most left wing parties, but if I broadly support these things I'm more than allowed to have my critiques of them as well.

[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I just don't understand why a party that's more successful than any of those and actually upholds Lenin's theory of global finance imperialism unlike more than half of the other US leftist orgs I can name is more "cursed" because it is Russian, shouldn't finding success in a cursed environment be considered impressive?

DSA and PSL practically only run candidates for the appearance of legitimacy from what I've seen, but that's a whole other tangent. CPUSA's electoral success is pretty modest since like DSA I think the accusations of democrat tailism are pretty legitimate. People were talking about Cornel West as if he's going to do literally anything lol? Isn't that cursed? RFK Jr. and Marianne Williamson both have deeply fucked up backgrounds.

It's pretty clear from the conflations you're all drawing here that there is no distinction between actual NazBols and the KPRF in your mind. Why would anyone want nationalist socialists to win? If your accusations against them hold water, you shouldn't want them to find any success and poison the idea of communism more.

I'm just struggling to understand the contradictory points of view you espouse.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

You're making a lot of assumptions about my views based on a small critical statement. And I have said I agree with and carry similar critiques of DSA and PSL.

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

I just wouldn't ever support nationalist parties I have a communist understanding of nationalism. I don't go around like rooting for or opposing Ba'ath party within Syria itself I rather hope to resolve the international siege so a better political situation may emerge with the pressure lifted.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Not to put words in your mouth - I see socialists in the USA constantly use incredibly warped talking points about how "actually we're the most democratic and freedom loving of all sir! wait where are you going??" can we agree these are far more fucked up talking points since they call back Le Epic Constitution and not Lenin and Stalin?

There is genuine enthusiasm for DEMOCRATIC PARTY POLITICS on this site lolll people unironically post Ettingermentum substacks iirc

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Not to put words in your mouth

A bit late for that ๐Ÿ˜•

I understand where you're coming from, but as a maoist that doesn't live in the USA (not that my country is much better) I don't think I fall into the category of who you're talking about

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So you simultaneously want the KPRF to win, but also want to engage in protracted people's war against the Russian federation? WouldnMr that sap energy? Or do you think they need a split armed wing like the CPP๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ญ?

If you say they're weirdo nationalists like Limonov the natural assumption is they should eat shit, I am actually trying to understand you. :-/

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I think ultimately a militant revolutionary movement that's willing to engage in armed struggle is necessary to restore communism to Russia, but in the absence of such a movement social democratic parties serve a very limited purpose of allowing minor representation to workers in bourgeois government. I don't think it's a good idea to put time and energy towards the KPRF but I don't live in Russia and don't have any influence in their movements, so I can't exactly spit on Russian leftists that do, I can only critique what I see and read.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Gotcha that kind of Maoist take is rare in my circles. I appreciate you clarifying what you've added to the discussion. As you can probably guess I think the global military & financial dominance of the USA precludes that ๐Ÿ˜ฌ in the case of India I think it's more appropriate since the government wants to use neocolonialism against the population and other countries in the region and must be opposed at every step.

India doesn't oppose US militarism, the Philippines is colonized, it's open season

Kerala military coup NOW they need to seize control of the army do what the Indonesian fascists accused the communists of actually doing. Fucking hype shit

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

If you appreciate it, I would appreciate you deleting your derogatory comment about me, unless there's another maoist in the thread you're vagueposting about

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I will also clarify my post so ppl can see it's not directed at you, mainly because it shows off my posting Sixth Sense โœ…

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

it's 2024 and we are channeling the light and goodness with every post and we're doing it with fury lakewater we're eradicating evil in 2024 lakewatef

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

No, that's about King Lear. obama-socialism You wouldn't get it. ๐Ÿšฌ๐Ÿคก

Don't take that as directed at you. He's just... not worth explaining

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

These posters will be lost in time. Like tears in rain. ๐Ÿฅฒ