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    [–] [email protected] 48 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    A smart distro allows you to change DEs without changing the distro, though.

    [–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Is it just me or is every new distro just a base with a different DE? I started to notice this a few years back but not sure if it was my imagination or something developers starting doing because it was easier to ship the DE as "the OS" than it was to instruct users on how to switch to their DE.

    [–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    Yeah, that's pretty much it. Distros used to be about experimenting with different packaging systems and system managers, but now seems like the packaging systems are mostly the three: Arch, Debian, Red Hat. And the system manager is almost always systemd.

    So the only thing to do (beyond better quality control, which takes a lot of constant work) is to make the DE somehow unique.

    [–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    Repositories and package versioning are also extremely important in ways newbies don't realize yet. There's a significant variety between using Debian, Ubuntu, Pop!_OS or Kali. They are all Debian based using apt but they are all decidedly entirely different systems with completely different purposes and uses.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

    They could be using different package managers or different repos

    [–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I think the default setting matters, if there is any. Looking at Gentoo.

    Fun aside, I think Fedora might be a good choice, because Gnome is easy and polished!

    [–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    My problem with Gnome is if it were my desktop, I might as well run Windows, since Gnome shell/mutter is slightly less capable than Windows. Extensions exist, but are very much a second class citizen and get broken by shell versions frequently, and the author of an extension may be gone when it comes time to rework it for a new version.

    Plasma/kwin have pretty much everything I want in desktop/window management baked in.

    [–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

    I love gnome overall and it's my favorite de, but the missing features and extensions being almost mandatory for basic functions definitely are a pain.

    Extensions are cool but the basics should be built in.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

    Fedora has ten other desktops to choose from. I'm currently test driving Budgie

    [–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

    I do fedora with KDE/plasma.

    Nowadays fedora is a decent "boring" distribution, that finally settled into blatantly prompting to add the non free repositories you will probably want.

    Ubuntu was annoying with it's little adventures in "not invented here" with mir, unity, and nowadays snap. So nice to have a modern, boring distribution.

    [–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

    Fedora also comes with a dozen different DEs prepackaged and installable with a single, simple command. Each user just can select and change their own desktop with a menu selection on the login screen

    [–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Are there (sizeable) distros that does not allow you to install multiple DE's and change between them?

    [–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

    That's not usually the problem. Usually you can generally do this on any distro, even ones that have a higher level of integration with their DE.

    The problem is more likely to be issues caused by overlapping configurations and base libraries that can cause weird issues if they aren't swapped out or kept default. If they aren't default and are managed by the package manager, usually the package manager will mark it as modified and often won't touch it unless you purge the configurations. Some will ask and some will straight up nuke em.

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    To me the problem is actually removing the old one. You can easily uninstall gnome, but it will leave behind config files and various data. It's less clean.

    Also, there's an overlap in the libraries required by DEs, so you should use the "replace" option in you package manager (if it has one) to let o t figure out the best way to uninstall one and install the other.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    That's a problem with the package manager

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

    Not entirely, for example you don't expect the package manager to remove the gnome folder from the .local of every user

    [–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

    AFAIK Fedora comes with Gnome and KDE, both in Wayland and X11 version, out of the box, and you can just select one when logging in.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

    I'm sure they all allow it, but some make it awkward enough that a reinstall might be a better option.