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Electric school buses are a breath of fresh air for children | Nearly $1B in federal funding could help clean up the unequal health impacts of diesel pollution. (grist.org)

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Electric school buses are a breath of fresh air for children | Nearly $1B in federal funding could help clean up the unequal health impacts of diesel pollution.::Nearly $1B in federal funding will help decarbonize transportation and clean up some of the unequal health impacts of diesel pollution

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I grew up and rode the bus to school in Iowa.

I rode the bus in Alaska. The buses ran well below -50f. It turns out that it's not that hard to keep your batteries and oilpans heated if you bother putting plug-in heaters (literally, electric blankets for the purpose) in your fleet vehicles, winterize your vehicles, and plug them in when it's cold.

I get that it's uncommon to be that cold-prepared in places that don't expect to see temperatures below -20 for more than a few days in a given calendar year- at some point, it makes sense to just call it off when it's that cold. After all, do all (or even most of) the kids have proper clothes to deal with real cold?

Really cold weather can be adapted to, it's just that when you don't need it that often it makes sense not to spend the resources doing it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

For sure. The ROI really isn't there when it happens every couple of years. Like you said, they do call it off when it's that cold. It's not safe for kids that have to walk to the bus or school. The main thing is that electric is the same way, so it's a moot point.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The main thing is that electric is the same way,

No, the larger point is that it's a struggle to make diesel work at +20F if you don't do the things to make it work, and yet these things can be made to work reliably at -50F. The obstacle isn't the limitations of the technology, it's whether or not the cost curve makes sense. Electric can be made to work cheaply, if it's important to you that it work- just like it's possible to make that diesel turn over at -50F

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

When I say electric is the same way, I mean that if it's too cold to run the vehicle, it's too cold to have school.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Ok, that's fair. The point I wanted to make upthread was that these sorts of impossible things are regularly made to work when making it work is worthwhile. Most of the 'but this is a limitation of the technology' talk here (about how EVs can't work in the cold, etc) is defeatist bullshit that ignores that really if you want it to work it can be made to work