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[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Part of the issue that drives us to point out what Biden has done is that we often get a response of "BOTH sides are fascists and exactly the same, so why should I care?", which then must be refuted.

Otherwise I agree entirely.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The answer to that kind of framing isn't to show how good the dems are, but how bad the Republicans are. Again, the dems are not interested in appealing to leftists in any way, so again, this kind of posturing is what encourages leftist voter apathy.

If a leftist says both sides are the same, show how much worse Republicans treat anyone that isn't a cishet white male over the age of 35, and how legitimately dangerous they can be for our loved ones that aren't in that category, even if they are.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If a leftist says both sides are the same, show how much worse Republicans treat anyone that isn’t a cishet white male over the age of 35, and how legitimately dangerous they can be for our loved ones that aren’t in that category, even if they are.

But that's the thing, when we point out that the GOP treats anyone that isn't a cishet white male like dogshit, the inevitable refrain is that the Dems are 'just as bad'. How are we supposed to refute that without pointing out policies of the Dems that are, quite explicitly, NOT 'just as bad'?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

By showing that the Republicans are worse, like I said. Biden is factually enabling genocide in Gaza, yes. The answer isn't to support Israel, of course, but to show Trump's track record of foreign policy blunders that would lead to acceleration, as a quick example.

If this theoretical leftist genuinely believes there's no difference, they likely haven't read theory, are a fed, or are only interested in virtue signaling and genuinely won't be harmed by Republicans anyways.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

By showing that the Republicans are worse, like I said.

My point is that any relative comparison requires both positions to be demonstrated to the doubting, otherwise all that's proven is that Republicans are bad, which we all already know.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Show how dems are less bad, don't frame it as "dems are good actually." That's my point.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Nah, what you want to point out is that Biden winning is the most accelerationist outcome due to how few would accept his victory and how much the Republicans will attempt to sabotage the results.Trump winning will just usher in fascism without any fight.