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It encourages the dehumanization of women and gives men even more unrealistic expections about relationships and sex. But if they take themselves out of the gene pool this way then it could end up being a win.
As if dehumanization of men wasn't just as bad.
You know, I saw a pic posted somewhere recently saying something about not liking bodybuilders and unrealistically cool guys, those she likes are absolutely normal and casual, like guys on the picture.
And guys on the picture are Hollywood actors, LOL, in very good form, with no signs of sleep deprivation and tiredness, with a selling smile and the photos are likely edited on top of that.
And the totally realistic and normal expectation of many women towards men is that if a woman has a moment of weakness and pain, then it's her personality to be proud of, and if a man has that, then he should accept being dumped for that moment alone as a man.
I actually think it absolutely mirrors the dehumanization of women. All the same things.
You are losing sight of the discussion to frame it as a "men vs women" thing. This will also feed into the dehumanization of men because it will also generated "ideal" impossible men.
N-nah. But if we get back to the root of this discussion - I've read lots of fanfiction in my life. Mostly written by girls for girls. Taboons of imagined idealized men right there.
And about imagined idealized women - men write fanfiction (and other fiction) too.
So I just don't see how such bots are bad, except they are not real.
The difference is that as far as fanfic goes you cannot escape the fact that they aren't real, it's static text on a screen, and even people roleplaying are liable to get a "dude wtf" response if they have no notion of what are appropriate expectations and behavior. But an AI will go along with whatever it's told to and try to appear like person doing it. They will validate and reward even the user's wildest expectations.
If there's people so lost in their fantasies that they will convince themselves they are in love with some scripted basic visual novel character, imagine what AI bots will do to them.
To be fair I don't think this is downfall of society material, but I think it's a given some people will go absolutely nuts because of them, and it might affect how they treat real human beings around them. The internet has enough unhinged people even when they are capable of interacting with each other. Imagine when we are dealing with people whose main practice of conversation is getting sexted by AI bots they treat like trash?
It's even easier to lose yourself in fantasies over a real woman which differs just a bit from what you imagine, and that little difference changes everything.
Yes.
I have good imagination, so didn't need any bots to go down that path.
Over time they'll realize that it's more enjoyable to get a pat on the head by a real woman you strongly like than to get all kinds of sexual talk an LLM bot can produce.
You know, i've noticed over my 40+ years that the vast majority of men are unnattractive. Men like to rate women on a scale but i just do a yes or no and 97% are no. But they still get girlfriends, get married and have kids. Ignore the women who care about looks because they seem to be a tiny minority.
I didn't have to do that anyway, my problems in this area result mostly from my own mistakes, but one can't just abruptly stop making them.
Though I think I actually get something right, after the dust settles I still rather like (as people) everybody for whom I felt something.
They could train it however they want, it wouldn't have to be dehumanizing (admittedly probably wouldn't be as successful). Hell, maybe they could disguise a therapy AI as a gf AI and trick them into getting their shit together.
Side question, how do you feel about romance movies/novels that give unrealistic expectations of men? Should those be banned as well?
I never said it should be banned, just that I don't like it.
People will train it in all kinds of ways. Lets take sex out of tbe equation and say a nazi trains a home automation/personal assistant ai as a house removed bot. Still cool?