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[–] [email protected] 67 points 11 months ago (7 children)

They'll keep it up as long as business is good. If people will pay 12$ for a latte and lines are out the door, and there are no regulations to stop price gouging and predatory behavior, why wouldn't they?

[–] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Oh there are definitely laws to stop price gauging but that's for small businesses and individuals who aren't rich.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Isn't a café the very definition of a small business?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn’t really call them a café, just a chain where you can buy drinks made from burnt-to-shit coffee beans.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

That's okay. The coffee beans to chocolate, whip cream , soy milk, and extra caffeine ratio is like 1:99.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

You forgot the ten tablespoons of sugar that eats your insides to hide the taste of shit beans.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago

why wouldn't they?

It's not even a matter of "why wouldn't they," do much as a matter of they must.

Absent of regulations, any company that doesn't abandon every conceivable human moral in pursuit of more profit will find itself hopelessly out-competed by the ones that do. If your every competitor is charging $12 for a latte and paying their employees starvation wages, and you charge a reasonable amount and pay your employees a decent wage, then every hour you're in business your competitors will be making more money than you, and you will always fall behind, unless something comes along to close that gap.

Libertarians might try to say that eventually the free market will close the gap, but adults know otherwise. The free market doesn't give a shit about human decency, the environment, the value of mom and pop businesses, or any of that. The free market can only ever want to make more money, every year, at a faster rate of increase, every year. Forever.

Government is the only thing that can reasonably account for how things should be. Regulations are the only reason we don't have 80 hour work weeks and children in the mines.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

Is $12 for a latte even price gouging?

Like, $12 for milk and eggs? $12 for a pound of veggies or a gallon of gas or a jug of water during a hurricane? Sure.

But I can buy a bag of beans for $12 and make ten cups easy. I just don't know if I'd call it price gouging because you're willing to pay out the nose for foamed milk.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Lattes aren't essential. Charging $12 for one is neither predatory nor price gouging. It's arguably exploitatative but I don't feel it's our job to tell people they're not allowed to waste their own money.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Acting on “what the market will bear” instead of what at cost as well as labour is predatory in that it is opportunistic in the basic definition of what makes predatory behaviour predatory. It is also gouging as it is setting a price range that can be considered exclusionary. And then to also attack a customer who feels this and speaks it can be considered victim blaming as you’re enabling these behaviours by dismissing the feedback of the victim, which again is being exclusionary by enforcing their money to be taken but not allowing they can be part of the feedback or setting boundaries of what is happening to them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

When you call someone choosing to buy a $12 latte a victim it makes everything else you say impossible to take seriously.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

If these people have been raised by exploitative pricing all their life, I honestly am not sure who to blame anymore.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

you use ‘choice’ like $3 latte is an option. You’re bent on manipulating people so it’s hard to take you seriously.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You can get a latte at Dunkin donuts for $2.69 or McDonald's for $1. Or, and this is going to blow your mind, you can live without lattes. We're not talking about insulin ffs. How fucking entitled are you talking about a luxury item like it's a necessity lmao

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I think coffee shops should 100% be allowed to price gouge. Its a product anyone can easily make at home for pennies.

It's like those multi million dollar art installations that's literally just a yellow square with a red dot in the middle.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

to be fair a setup that can make espresso drinks in the same quality league as coffee shops will cost in the range of 1000-3000€ but if you drink one cup per day then you can save that amount in a year by making coffee at home

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

Well, in that case, I don't think anyone can make the case that espresso is a necessity, so again, gouge away.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

If you can afford a 1-3K espresso setup you probably don't think about saving money on coffee

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

well if you got savings but low income you can afford one time costs such as that. i got a 1k espresso setup mainly so i dont have to spend 20-40% of my disposable income on coffee from cafes

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Bambino is 600, if you do the math it pays itself off in like two or three months of owning one vs going to a coffee shop.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Bambino won't pull the same shots that a great independent coffee shop's equipment will.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It is if you learn how to set the temp settings and use the right bean, grind size and milk. A decent cup of coffee is the sum of parts. And if the customer who does all this is just as satisfied, that’s all that matters.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

That's just not correct. Yes, a drink is the sum of the parts, but if all 4 parts are 9.9/10, and your Bambino can't get to 9.9/10 level, the drink will come out inferior.

Although I do agree with your last statement, the Bambino cannot pull a shot like a high-grade industrial machine can.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm going out on a limb and argue that a great cup of coffee can probably be made with some rather simple and cheap lab equipment.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Absolutely, all I'm saying is that you cannot pull the same shot with a Breville as with an industrial grade Espresso machine like great independent shops use.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

like great independent shops use.

🤣 lol this totally doesn’t sound like a bitter barista taking this personally. I’m gonna say yeah, in fact I can pull a better shot than any independent shop I’ve been to in years with my ‘inferior’ bambino. In fact I’ve done a great cup of coffee comparable even just using an aero press and a hand held foamer.

So Go cry about it some more. sips my home made coffee

Thanks, this made my coffee taste so much better.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

i'd say with cheap-ish equipment you can get like 95-98% close to the quality that a 2k+ machine can do, but 95% of cafes at least here dont care enough to put so much effort into the coffee that the machine matters so i can get best coffee possible at home unless im willing to travel for an hour to a place that sells better coffee than i can make for 5€ more

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Wow, you need to visit better shops.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I’m happy with my coffee. Deal with it. sip MMMMMMMMMYUMMM.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

And so easy just grow your own beans on your acres of land, toil it, roast those beans and voila. Same with brewing your own beer, grow your hops…etc. or wine, grow your own grapes…

You could say that about any food really.

But if you say that oh, the frazzled parents and people who live in mere apartments without land to grow this stuff or people with two jobs and can’t pick their own farm land will come down on you so hard. So spoilt.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago

I think you know that your analogy is false

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

I have a hard time arguing for price controls for lattes. We aren't talking water or housing or basic staples of food here.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It is like people who continue to feed ticketmaster and the resale markets with their predatory fees and prices. Why shouldn't they keep doing it if people will keep paying their insane prices for nonessentials?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Legit not arguing but other than going to the physical box office, what alternatives are there to Ticketmaster? I would love to know so I can stop giving them money.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Absolutely. There is no real alternative for most people but at least it isn't a necessity. They have a nice monopoly going.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Just go to venues where you buy direct.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I try when possible but time and distance, and some lack box offices, don't always make this an option. I can't afford the overpriced shows anyway.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Go to venues that you deal with them direct. Is it really important that you see the most popular musician at the best venue or is it more important that you heard some fun music with your friends? Make a decision and live with the decision