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National Park Service scraps plan to remove William Penn statue after public outcry ✊ (notthebee.com)

submitted 10 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Leftist 'Liberals' want to erase history. Conservatives prefer to learn from it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Leftist ‘Liberals’ want to erase history.

No, we want nazi/confederate statues to stop existing, while the teaching the history in museums and schools, you know, the place such things should be taught. No nazi or confederate should be glorified or mourned.

And I'm not really seeing any arguments from liberals about this particular statue of William Penn when I visit leftist subs.

Conservatives prefer to learn from it.

By waving confederate flags? Or by banning Maus?

Really strange for the pro-history learning party to ban a book that explains the holocaust.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Penn was not a nazi or a confederate.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

And I’m not really seeing any arguments from liberals about this particular statue of William Penn when I visit leftist subs.

It's almost like the lack of pro removal arguments from leftists is because what I said is true and what you said false. Leftists aren't trying to erase history.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Someone did, or else this wouldnt have been brought up in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Not necessarily. From what I skimmed, it seemed like they just wanted renovate the park, and various ideas were proposed. Just because some of them didn't envision statues doesn't meant it was a leftist or political reason for such a design.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

You must know that's a straw man.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Finally came across a source that explains it instead of just bitching.

Welcome Park, though not necessarily the statue of Penn, has also been the site of some resentment among Native Americans. The plot had been given to the Haudenosaunee (Six Nations from the Iroquois Confederacy) in January 1755 by John Penn, William Penn’s grandson. In the 1700s, Native American groups often visited Philadelphia for diplomatic and trade meetings. They sometimes numbered in the hundreds and visited so frequently that John Penn asked the Provincial Council of Philadelphia to consider setting aside a piece of land for these gatherings. The delegations often refused to negotiate treaties until they could stand on their own ground and build a council fire.

"I anticipated a park in a natural pristine state. Like any other park, it would have trees, grass, water,” said Louise McDonald (Native name Wa’kerakátste), a Mohawk Bear Clan Mother from Akwesasne, N.Y. “I was frozen for a minute because I felt it had been choked and that it wasn’t a true representation of the original intentions of the space. It just seemed to be purposely buried with a cover-up narrative. There certainly seems to be a feeling of erasure intended to remove any spirit that would imply that we were once there.”

https://www.inquirer.com/news/william-penn-statue-philadelphia-welcome-park-removal-20240108.html

This isn't about revisionism or denying history.