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At first this article reads like your typical anti-piracy screed. It rants about how 10x more people watched GoT illegally (confusing them with lost sales) and ends with how downloading movies can get your credit card stolen.

The middle of the article however, destroys the author's case.

Time Warner (owning company of HBO) CEO Alan Bewkes stated in 2013 how becoming the most illegally streamed show in history was “better than an Emmy” and that torrenting ultimately led to more paid subscriptions.

“We’ve been dealing with this for 20, 30 years—people sharing subs, running wires down the backs of apartment buildings. Our experience is that it leads to more paying subs. I think you’re right that Game of Thrones is the most pirated show in the world and that’s better than an Emmy.”

The CEO of Time Warner, who knows more about the finances of his own show than ForeverGeek writer Tom Llewellyn, championed piracy and said that it brought them more subscribers rather than nearly destroying the show as the article claims.

Needless to say, Tom forwent a rebuttal in favor of writing how you can get malware from downloading it...

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That they yhrew away all the rules they established before like traveling now took 0 hours and soon. All of this because the last book wasn't written yet so they had to write some story themselves and failed misserably.

[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 year ago (4 children)

HBO told the show runners(D&D) they could take as long as they wanted to finish the series. D&D had just landed jobs at the helm of a new Star Wars trilogy so they were eager to wrap up Thrones and start raking in that Disney cash. They made the last season shorter than other seasons, it sucked and they ended up losing the Star Wars deal.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Considering the star wars stuff that's been coming out, if you told me they were responsible for it, i'd believe you

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Give Andor a try, thats the one show I really liked out of the stuff Ive seen so far, after that the only other show Ive been into is the Expanse(non star wars), after the first season

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I can second the recommendation for Andor. Used to love Star Wars, lost all interest in it after the new trilogy (although rogue one was alright) and finally got around to watch Andor which I really loved.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Come on, Rogue One is one of the best Star Wars movies of all time.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It was a cool movie with amazing scenes and it made A New Hope make more sense (explained why the death star had a design flaw.) But I found all the characters really forgettable and it just didn't give me a satisfying emotional payoff.

Rogue One Spoiler

All the main characters just died and I didn't really care 🤷‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Mando and Andor were awesome. what are you talking about? Only BOBF and that dumb Obi series sucked.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

Sweet sweet justice.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

As I understand it, they walked away from the Stars Wars deal to sign with Netflix to make another adaptation. One that I’m sad that they’ve hitched their names onto.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What ever happened to the D&D Star Wars trilogy?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They lost the deal for it, after how badly received the end of GoT was. Then again, the new SW trilogy managed to be shit entirely without their help.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, Disney rejected them to protect the trilogy, and then managed to completely destroy the trilogy between two and half directors, and both Disney and Lucasfilm constantly interfering with the screen writing. Episode 7 might have been derivative, but without Episode 8 kneecapping all of the plot setups, followed by Episode 9 kneecapping all of 8's plot redirections, it would have at least been fun.

I mean, being honest, the prequel trilogy was mostly not great. But it was fun enough that people still love it. The sequels are so disjointed that it's just hard to enjoy. Proof that even with all the money in the world, anyone can still fuck up.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You said it all. Episode 8 ruined everything forever. I didn't even bother trying to watch episode 9 after that, and been majorly checked out of anything SW since. The last good SW movie was Rogue One...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

The worst part is some of the coolest moments of the trilogy happened in Episode 8. It could've been so good.

At any rate, Episode 9 may have been a letdown (more disappointing for what it could have been, than bad), but it's worth watching just to cap off the run. Solo was a pretty fun heist movie. I'd expected it to be terrible with the way it was being talked about and it turned out to be a solid popcorn flick. Not as good as Rogue One, but Rogue One was amazing.

At least they're taking a few years to to square things up before trying to release any more movies. Though, the strikes are probably gonna delay things even further.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I read an essay where the author argued that in the first few seasons, the GRR Martin material, World events happened and the characters were forced to adapt and react.

Once the television writers took over, the dynamic flipped so characters' actions forced the World itself to change and react, which is apparently how most television writing works since television writing revolves mostly around characters.

That's a pretty inelegant way to explain it, sorry, but I think the idea feels pretty accurate to me. There is a definite point where you can tell when the staff writers have to start plotting for themselves.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I do think that sums it up pretty well, and as other have said, the last season had a "I don't want to do this anymore, lets wrap this up vibe" and to make matters worse, they completely abandoned so many plots that you thought had a point to them. To me it felt so obvious that during the fall of kings landing, Cersi should have flipped out and Jamie should have killed her. History repeating itself. Maybe that was just too predictable for them to actually do it, but all the character development up to that point was the perfect setup for it and they just dropped it altogether.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I remember people knew the ending due to leaks about a year ahead of time and claimed it was all BS since it was so ridiculous. We were all wrong

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

For a secound i forgot we are talking about Game of Thrones and not Star Wars Episode 9.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I went from avoiding leaks to a few episodes in not caring and read the leaks and laughed. Then joined freefolk to laugh at the show as it aired, which made it a much less miserable affair than it would have been. A nice season long The Room roasting for the show.

Watching it straight up would have been pure torture.