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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Yes WW2 started in 1939, and Pearl Harbor was in december 1941. So it took 2 years for USA to get involved. But USA was such a massive influence, because their industrial output was without comparison bigger than anything else in the world. It was bigger than Europe combined. USA was also a major factor in keeping the trans Atlantic traffic open, and defeating the German submarines. D-Day would have been impossible without USA, as USA was the biggest force. USA also suffered the most losses in operation overlord, with almost twice the casualties and killed as UK. All that is apart from doing by far the most in the effort against Japan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Overlord

It's denigrating to the American effort to call that waltzing in.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Some would say 1935, with the invasion of Ethiopia. There's also a large body of historians who view WW1 and WW2 as being a single event. To sort of piggy-back off my above reply, the idea that WW2 "began" in 1939 is as Anglocentric as Americans thinking it started in 1941.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Supposedly, Foch said the WW1 Armistice wasn't peace, it was a 20 year truce.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Funny how different countries have different traditions.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I've always just seen 1939 as the beginning of WW2, and I've never seen it questioned since I learned about it in school in the 70's. But maybe it's seen different in Asia. And yes we also learned about the truce that was forced on the Germans, so that's been taken into account all along. It's still WWI and WW2, not WWI 1914-1945.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

If you want an interesting novel, try 'Night Soldiers' by Alan Furst. Young Bulgarian boy is killed by local fascists. His brother is then recruited by the Russians to be a spy. He's sent to Spain to help fight Franco. Enjoy.