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[–] [email protected] 89 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Mass transit should be free if they have ads on it

[–] [email protected] 118 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Mass transit should be free and not have ads on it.

In fact, all advertising in public spaces (including things like billboards mounted on private property but aimed towards the street) should be prohibited.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 10 months ago (3 children)

If I were "dictator for a day" one of the odd things I would do is ban all billboards. I think this every time I drive down the highway.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago (2 children)

In Washington State, it's relatively difficult to have billboards along highways. It's one of the reasons our state is still beautiful to travel across.

Every time I end up in other states that have much looser billboard placement laws it's just awful and I wonder how people can live like that.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

At least last I was there, wholly illegal in Vermont. You also never see it in Norway.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Maine is a billboard-free state

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Many cities have taken baby steps, such as prohibiting tall signs. More steps to go

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

For the public and environment policy that mass transit is made for (freeing up parking space; removing polluting cars from the road; reducing congestion; reducing carbon burn) yeah. Mass transit should have no usage cost

I'll accept public service adverts. Telling you about services, advertising health and well-being, telling you to keep your feet off the seats

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Is the ad revenue on mass transit actually high enough to support its operation?(ignoring even maintenance or expansion, or the replacement of unrepairable vehicles)

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It's not, and I don't even need to go look it up.

Operating a subway is expensive. Maintenance, new lines, new trains, you name it, it costs shitloads

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

It's so expensive that the NYC subway used to be multiple private railroad companies but the business just wasn't feasible (at a reasonable price) when the market had a downturn - which is why the city eventually took it over.

This is why the track geographies are so odd in NYC

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Operating a subway is expensive only when you don’t compare it to operating a city on cars shrugs

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Yes exactly this. Car infrastructure is the most expensive transportation infrastructure per capita possible. It’s why the US spends tons of public money on transportation and has just crumbling highways to show for it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Might also be because of how massive the US is with relatively big distances between big cities

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Most commutes are not between major cities, they are within metro regions, so the size of the US doesn’t explain the terrible infrastructure. Besides, for decades now, most of Europe has no political impediments to travel, same as the US. People can commute from Berlin to Madrid as if it were one country. Density matters, but not the size of the country.

As for density, there are many US regions that are of similar density and distance apart as European cities, such as DC-NY-Boston, or Portland-Seattle-Vancouver, SF-LA, etc.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

It varies. Usually fares are just there to ration use of the mass transit, providing less than a third of its cost (ignoring capital)

Also: why would you ration transit? You want as many people as possible to use it

No one's so cheap they cycle instead. Those who cycle do so for health. We could free up there roads for the die hard drivers

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

For bus systems at least the amount fares cover is typically on the order of 5% give or take in the US. The fact that bus fares exist at this point in the US has got everything to do with emotions, narratives and a political stance against providing a social safety net and nothing to do with cold hard economics.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

The fares themselves usually account for a tiny portion of the overall revenue. For example, in 2021 the MTA had $7.8 Billion in revenue. And they are fighting for $100k of lost fares

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I don't care. I just hate ads.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

McDonalds should show ads instead of charging me for a burger