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Ok. A well written argument of your own can make me look like I haven't thought things through. But if you feel the need to state it additionally for no other reason than I don't wholly agree with you or because put downs make you feel better or superior, then good for you. This isn't about my ego, I'm just trying to help you improve your debating skills.

I'm not going to debate long COVID. I don't doubt it is a real phenomena but this is because the facts around it are far too vague and this means that making serious policy decisions could be foolhardy. There is no real test for long COVID other than a random assortment of ailments that some people get some of and others get none of, supposedly related to a primary COVID infection in a minority of people.

I'm not arguing about people that broke lockdown laws. I'm suggesting that even with maximum possible levels of compliance that COVID can only be slowed, not stopped.

There is a debate to be had about freedom Vs proposed safety but I don't think we're going to agree. We'd just be wasting eachothers time and getting upset. Sorry you lost your grandad unexpectedly.

Some times shit things happen and there is no reason. It might make you feel better to blame "other idiots" but that doesn't change anything.