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Actually I feel violated.

It's a KYC interview, not a police interrogation. I've always enjoyed KYC interviews; I get to talk about my business plans, or what I'm going to do with my loan, or how I ended up buying/selling stocks. It's hard to empathize with somebody who feels "violated" by small talk.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

actively investing in shell and actively investing in crypto is unethical and it's not wrong to point it out, and neither is this moral panic; if you don't want to be subjected to ethical assessment, don't brag about potentially unethical behaviour.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

@mawhrin @naevaTheRat

Investing in shell is arguably ethical if you're doing it to exert shareholder influence or just be a pain in their ass at annual meeting time.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

actively investing in crypto is unethical

no, it's not.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

note, i'm talking cryptocurrencies, not cryptography.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

ah. do make a case for ethical cryptocurreny investment then, would you kindly?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

most actions are amoral. some are immoral, few are moral duties. i don't see any reason it shouldn't be amoral.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

“make a case for ethical cryptocurrency investment then, would you kindly?”

[–] [email protected] -3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

the burden of proof is on you to make the case that it isn't, like almost all actions, amoral.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

you seem to be mistaking this sub for a debate club; have a very adequate life.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

@mawhrin @commie on a scale from 1 to This Guy, how over-leveraged are you in Worthless Crypto?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

not at all. but then i'm aggressively middle-aged, and have a mortgage.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 10 months ago

not at all. i'm up over 55,000%

[–] [email protected] -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

you seem to be mistaking this sub for a debate club

wrong.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

holy fuck all of your posts are like this? fuck off

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -3 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

@commie your arguments are very compelling

[–] [email protected] -3 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] -3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

sure but like everyone with any kind of retirement fund or whatever, or even government pension is complicit in unethical investment. Crypto is less than ideal for lots of reasons but imo the attention it gets (and weird criticism over stuff like water usage by people who drink softdrink and eat meat etc) is a symptom of it being new and primarily of interest to annoying dorks.

Capitalism makes bastards of us all, and you should defs try to do better, but people who like aren't even doing the bare minimum of plant based diets criticising crypto uniquely are just being inconsistent.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Your position is also inconsistent. For example, coyotes have meat-based diets and are not capitalist; I think that coyotes also don't use cryptocurrency, although I have no evidence either way. Naturalistic appeals are usually fallacies since they involve special pleading for humans in an otherwise-natural holistic existence.

That said, I upvoted you for approaching the concept of obligate capitalism, the idea that the only choices presented to humans within a capitalist society are to own capital, labor, or starve. We should be less keen to criticize each other merely for choosing to live.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 10 months ago

Can't hear you over carnist seathing. Take your internet points back in a futile display of pique

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

so, you're a pale vegan doing crypto and investing in ai because other people eat meat?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

lmao no I don't invest in crypto or shares. I'm broke as fuck. What part of bankrupt over treating depression is difficult to understand?

What part of both are awful but criticising one more than the other is stupid and lazy implies I'm doing either?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

bringing one in context of another, when they're not related at all. also, i distrust pale vegans (who almost never realise the impact of pale veganism on other places).

[–] [email protected] -3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Carnist seething lmao, you want to feel so good about yourself but you're just as happy as anyone else to make someone else die screaming if it brings you a moment of pleasure. But sure hey, at least you're not a tech bro. But then if you weren't incapable you probably would be, if you're unable to do something it's not virtuous not to.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

shrug i'm not a karnista, i'm not even a lawyer.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Carnists pretending they have any sense of right or wrong is hilarious

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

this isn't working out