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oh look, someone doing ev that can actually make vehicles, and theyve eclipsed tesla... no wayy..
no one could have predicted this except, ya know, everyone.
I don't even care about that. I want a car I can afford and fit my family including luggage in. Give me two hours of battery life with one hour of charging and I'm sold.
Perhaps consider an used car instead of a brand new one? New electric vehicle is worse for the environment than one that already exists even if it runs on petrol/diesel
For me it’s less about the environment and most about the long term cost savings and needing less maintenance.
The savings from not buying a new one pays for quite a few trips to the mechanic. New car loses half of its value in just few years so you're guranteed to lose money anyways.
My car is quite old, from 2007. I'm spending a lot in preventative maintenance like belts, pumps, fluids etc because I know the first real problem it'll have I'll have to buy something else.
If I could just avoid all that, that would be great.
That’s fair, but the cars downtime and dealing with a mechanic costs more than just the $$$.
I’ve had a car in and out of the shops for months trying to nail down an over heating issue. What a stress that was. I don’t think I’ll ever consider an ice car again to be honest.
I already got a stinker that does all that. Of course I'd also take a used electric, but they haven't been on the market long enough. I've never bought a new car in my life. Don't see the point when they cost only half as much as new when they're only a year or two old.
Depending on your needs and budget, Edison Motors just announced preorders for diesel/ev hybrid pickup conversion kits. I'm definitely interested in converting my 80's square body to being a plugin hybrid with no spyware.
And yet so many people are stuck in the pyramid scheme that is Tesla's stock.
And those who have ETFs or index funds that track the S&P 500 also have Tesla stock as a hot trash albatross to deal with.
You leave the majestic albatross out of this.
Man, Tesla is known for their very poor quality these days as well.
I recall 6-7 years ago I had a family member complain about their tesla breaking down. Today, we know this is pretty standard for all of them. We've also all seen how trashy the build quality is outside the electronics as well.
So... Even if these are trashy quality, are they really much worse than Tesla? I look forward to hearing more. I hope this shames Western companies into catching up, the fucking idiots.
Everyone hates on Tesla for obvious CEO reasons , but Tesla still has great cars. I test drove every electric car manufacturer and model available in central Florida throughout 2021/2022. The model y is by far the best in nearly every aspect. Nothing comes close.
My model y had one panel issue. They gave me a loaner car, it was fixed in 2 days. I haven't had any issues since. I drove it from Orlando, Florida to Toronto,CA and back without issue. It calculates where and how long to charge to continue your trip.
Again, everyone gives it shit but the "self-driving" is 10/10 on the highway ( 7/10 on local roads). It's not fancy lane assist and you'd have to be literally sleeping at the wheel to crash while it's engaged. It made driving there and back a breeze.
Best car I've driven so far. Hands down.
The model Y comfort and quality is garbage compared to any Audi, BMW, or ESPECIALLY Porsche. You are on crack if you think Tesla quality is above the Germans. It's a shitty muscle car with a good drivetrain.
I have driven the iX and Taycan several times and comfortability is just better in a Tesla. My brother in law is very well off. He has a Mercedes, Porsche, bmw, McLaren and a Tesla. He rather daily drive the Tesla.
🙄 the y is nowhere nowhere near taycan. You are off your rocker.
My brother in Christ, I have put several hours behind the taycan. The model Y is a better daily driver imo.
You are delusional.
You've driven both to compare?
Yes. 150 miles in the Tesla and 400 in the taycan plus a Porsche driving experience in the taycan in Atlanta. The Porsche is significantly nicer inside and is a better feeling car overall. The Tesla feels cheap for the price (more so than even Audi) but it has the non idiotic charging. Unless you are using super chargers every day I would spend more on the taycan.
I own a v90 recharge, so I've turo'ed heavily in that price bracket before making the choice on a PHEV which better suits my needs.
Taycan is nicer inside and has a better feel driving but overall the Tesla wins me over. The space for my family, charging network, accessing everything on the screen, self driving and just Tesla's software overall, I think it really out does the Porsche
Data and consumer reporting consistently rank Tesla as one of, and frequently THE, most unreliable car company by the numbers as far as quality control. It has nothing to do with Musk hate. The company is infamous for ex-managers confessing that they were told to ship them with the defects because most people didn't bother to have them fixed.
You "only" had a panel issue that required multiday service. That's not supposed to happen with brand new cars.
I'm glad you enjoy the car and driving it though, I bet they are great when they're at their best. Apparently, the China-based ones are fine very well. But it's okay to criticize things that should be criticized.
Out of curiosity, how do you use the self-driving? Do you pay attention to the road with your hands on the wheel in case it fails or do you just, I don't know, look at the landscape? If you pay attention to the road what's the benefit over cruise control?
But it reduces the load because you don't pay attention to the road? I know cruise control reduces the load because I don't pay attention to my speed.
Yes but how? I'm genuinely curious. If you still have to pay attention to the turns and (I imagine) other cars what load is it taking over? I only have cruise control and I see not having to check my speed makes a big difference, I dong have to worry I'm going over the limit. But unless I can just ignore the road I dont see how self driving helps. Not having to steer on gentle turns really makes a difference?
It actually does, just got a new car with the smart lane assist and cruise control and it's honestly really nice. It's not full self driving or anything and it often gets confused on big bends, areas with construction or roads with little to no lines, but on highways and major roads it's just nice.
Imagine that feeling of cruise control 10x. It's just a better driving experience.
On the highway, I haven't had it fail or do anything weird in over a year. I watch the road, but keep my hands off. Daily commute, especially when there's traffic, is much less of a mental burden. I'm much more at ease to check my phone or look up a song. Local roads, I keep my hand a 3' o'clock while on the armrest. Not as liberal with diverting my eyes. Letting it do all the work makes driving better, it's definitely more relaxing.
OK, makes sense. I will have to try it one day.
My Renault Megane E-Tech has much nicer interior and better build quality in general than the Tesla Y.
But charging times on the Tesla are really awesomely good
Yes. It’s very fashionable to hate Elon Musk, but unfashionable to acknowledge that someone you hate can do good stuff.