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I don't understand this either.
iMessage being closed down is a fantastic reason to push people to use Signal/Telegram/WhatsApp/Viber/etc. The excuse to get anyone to try anything else is "hey I have an android, can we use something else"
If iMessage integration ends up happening from a proprietary service like Beeper, now the argument becomes "well, just download Beeper, you can talk to us from there".
Its an entertaining chickens-coming-home-to-roost situation for Apple's skeleton key service and I'm glad for it to be getting some much deserved scrutiny.
On the other hand, its another distraction in the same way that "you need to update to our new iOS yeaterday spiel" is a distraction from the fact that
LockDown mode > new update/patch that doesn't address all the main attack surface vulns
Yeah, tho, I would never recommend iMessage to anyone I cared about and thats only one of the many reasons I would never give it the time of day. Signal is superior in basically every way except its not as ubiquitous but its also not a default opt-out first-party thing like iMessage.
like... i get the scrutiny angle, but how does that jive with he constant demands to be part of it? does than not strike you as the least bit... hypocirtical?
Can you flesh that out a bit more, I'm not sure what you're getting at bur I want to :)
damn, i accidentally deleted my comment. i wish there was a confirmation dialog for that!
so, again (sorry)...
There's plenty to criticize Apple for, and Apple gets a lot of hate on lemmy, esp from android users, for not being FOSS and being closed off from non-Apple users. however, for a community so dedicated to android and FOSS that seems to hate everything Apple, this is the seemly one exception where the android community demands access to the closed ecosystem rather than to develop a FOSS alternative, an ideal and directive found all over lemmy and the internet at large.
If Apple and their iCloud ecosystem are so terrible and inferior (a claim i've seen countless times, esp regardin iMessage and how RCS is superior), then why the furvor over getting access to iMessage? it strikes me as contradictory to the values touted here so often.
I’m also confused by this.
Also, why people think that people need to be convinced to use iMessage. I just tell people to text me and give them my number. If they have an iPhone, great. We can play SeaBattle! If not, then I guess our messages won’t be encrypted and we won’t be doing anything illegal together. 🤷🏻♂️
Just a bunch of people in here trying to justify why they’re upset that other people don’t want to do things the same way they do.
I would prefer that iMessage fall back to RCS rather than SMS, but whatever. Apparently that’s coming and I’m not downloading another app to message one person. Especially not one owned by Facebook.
Yeah, I think it certainly deserves scrutiny, but the way this is unfolding is incredibly stupid. I'm willing to bet everyone's just waiting for the internet-commenter-outrage-machine to move onto something else.
I don't want to see Congress screaming at Apple to open it up. I want Congress to do their job and pass a proper law stating a service with greater than X users or X% of Americans after Y number of years must open their platform.
congress would have to pass a law for that to happen. but why should congress pass a law forcing companies to just give their services away just because they're popular?
I don't think you are hearing me. iMessage is already beyond non-private and has several built-in backdoors to ensure anyone who demands access can have multiple avenues to do so.
Whether Congress engages witb this seriously or not is irrelevant. Its a terrible platform and it gives people not only a false sense of privacy, but it is also a gaping security hole in iOS that I can only hope is completey shut down by "toggling" it once its already been forced on you when you sign in to iCloud.
Literally not invested in it, the more attention anf scrutiny it receives, the better cuz its a bullshit thing that has no place for me on my phone and on the phone of anybody who wants to have private convos and not have their chat program be a giant security gap on their phone. Its gotten people killed