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Can I shoot myself instead? (lemmy.world)
submitted 11 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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[–] [email protected] -4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Is "if a fire breaks out in the toaster oven I'm currently cooking Buffalo Chicken flavored pizza rolls in, I will use my fire extinguisher to put out the flames" fantasies of firefighting? Don't hate the planner for being able to theorize on hypothetical situations, hate the game.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Killing a person is not the same as putting out a fire. Since you don't seem to comprehend that it shows even more evidence that you should not have access to a gun.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago

Right, which is why the tools used to defend yourself from people and the tools used to defend yourself from fire are different tools. Same concept though, "stop the danger before it kills me." The fact that you can't comprehend that makes you look silly, but imo you still deserve the right to defend yourself.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's not what you said though. You said a whole lot more than that.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"If the fire breaks out in the toaster oven while I'm asleep, that is a kobayashi maru. If it breaks out while I'm awake however I'll spray the fuck out of it and clean it up later, much cheaper than waiting for the fire dept to drench my house. The real issue is the fire has the initiative advantage as it starts before I can put it out, but I have smoke detectors so I'll get to it pretty quick."

There lmao.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Still nowhere near comparable to the legit wet dream you typed out earlier

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"You want to spray at the base of the fire, as that is the most effective way to put it out. Aiming at the tip gives it time to spread and doesn't effectively fight the fire."

There, that better for you? Lmao you know your opinion is meaningless to me right? All you know is I've taken the training everyone says you should be forced to take before gun ownership, the fact that you don't like what that training actually is in reality isn't my problem. It teaches you the laws regarding use of force and how to use said force properly. You don't actually know anything else about me, why would I hold any stock in the opinions of ideological internet strangers who just want to insult people they disagree with?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Nope, that is in fact less detailed and even shorter than before. There's no fantasising about how cool you'd be if you took the fire down, and how manly it'd make you feel. That'd make it more in line.

I have said nothing about any "training". You're fighting your imagination.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"I don't think I'll have much trauma from putting out the fire, especially in my own home. Frankly, I'm just as likely to have trauma from having the fire in the first place than from dealing with the situation."

Lmao you are ridiculous. "Fantasizing about how cool I'd be and how manly it'd make me feel" where? The only one fantasizing here is you, pretending you know anything about me, or anything else for that matter.

I thought you were referring to the part where I said "you want to get medically significant hits to stop the threat as quick as possible," which were that the case would mean you did say something about that very training, but if not tbh this is on you for not being specific at all. I'm fighting vagueness lmao.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not being vague whatsoever. You're just playing dumb. Or are actually dumb. Hard to tell.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No u lol

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I see you have given up trying to make a point.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Same to you. You have been vague. Either quote the specific lines or I'm done here.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Here:

Probably not, if they’re living in the attic they are still a threat, but likely not an economically sound threat. I probably have the advantage in that regard, they’d need like 7k in gear and some training to be better prepared. They’ll also never have access to the safe, nor the one on me, they’ll have to bring their own.

If they’re just in there hiding Richard Ramirez style, then it doesn’t matter who is better armed, it is time to roll them dice. Frankly it’s always a dice roll, I’ve seen a literal parishioner with a handgun take out a better armed dude with a 45yd (estimate) shot because the better armed mass shooter wasn’t as good of a shot and hadn’t learned his weapon properly (thankfully). What you carry matters less than getting shots on medically significant parts of your target quickly, you want to hit first and hit an area that is important, regardless of caliber, you could beat a guy with a .50cal with a .22lr, if he misses and you don’t. Of course, that said, you have a higher liklihood of one of those bullets hitting a medically significant target the bigger it is and the wound channels will be different, and depending on armor which the guy in the attic likely has none of you may need the small fast bois to punch through it, but I’d take my chances.

The real issue is he has the high ground and a choke point, so if he did bring a gun that’d present the most problems. Of course, he’s gotta come out sometime, and then it becomes my choke point. I suppose the real question becomes how did I discover he was there? Did I see him? Hear him banging around? Were the bangs as such that I’d go investigate myself or would I potentially involve law enforcement? All that makes a difference in the scenario. If I walk into my attic and theres just a guy up there who has the drop on me that is a kobayashi maru, but if I go up and he has a contact weapon like a bat or knife, I have the distance advantage. If I hear him up there and know it is a person somehow not just like a mouse, the cops are just getting called, I’ll outsource. If I hear him and think it may be a mouse and I go to investigate, we’re back to “does he have the drop on me or do I have the distance advantage.”

Still, in any case, the guy will be easier to deal with than the roaches. Less time, less money, and maybe he has a gun but maybe not and maybe it doesn’t matter if he does.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Here:

Probably not, if it starts in the toaster oven it are still a threat, but likely not an economically sound threat. I probably have the advantage in that regard, I have a fore extinguisher and a smoke detector so I'm better prepared. It'll also never start in the fire extinguisher, it'll have to bring its own.

If it's just in there burning Richard Ramirez style, then it doesn’t matter who has more fire extinguishers, it is time to roll them dice. Frankly it’s always a dice roll, I’ve seen a literal parishioner with an extinguisher take out a fairly big fire with a 30ft (estimate) squirt because the fire wasn’t too big yet, (nor was the fire as good of a shot and hadn’t learned his extinguisher properly, thankfully). What you carry matters less than getting shots on significant parts of your fire quickly, you want to hit first and hit an area that is important, regardless of fire, you could beat a fire with a class d or with a class b, if the fire is an appropriate type. Of course, that said, you have a higher liklihood of one of those squirts hitting a significant target the bigger the hose is and the squirt channels will be different, and depending on armor which the fire in the toaster oven likely has none of you may need the squirty bois to punch through it, but I’d take my chances.

The real issue is he has the initiative, that’d present the most problems. Of course, he’s get put out sometime. I suppose the real question becomes how did I discover the fire was there? Did I see it? Hear the fire alarm banging around? Were the flames as such that I’d go fight it myself or would I potentially involve fire department? All that makes a difference in the scenario. If I walk into my kitchen and there's just a fire up there who has the drop on me that bad, but if I go up and he has a contact weapon like a fire or fire, I have the distance advantage with the extinguisher. If I hear it up there and know it is a big fire somehow not just like a mouse, the firemen are just getting called, I’ll outsource. If I hear him and think it may be a small fire and I go to investigate, we’re back to “does he have the drop on me or do I have the distance advantage.”

Still, in any case, the fire will be easier to deal with than the fire. Less time, less money, and maybe he has a fire but maybe not and maybe it doesn’t matter if he does.

How's that, sport?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ctrl+R won't cut it

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No usually you can't just refresh a fire, you need the extinguisher.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Mate. You know I'm talking about find and replace. Just replacing words does not make an equivalent - it's just an edited clone.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Alright I'll punch this up when I can, easily. Woke up to the flu today though so you're on the back burner.