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Note: It's become clear to me that so far the vegan community on Lemmy (unlike Reddit) is lacking and overrun by non-vegans. So please only answer this if you're actually vegan. I'm seeking a vegan perspective on this.

With that out of the way, is it speciesist to have a favourite animal? Many vegans consider themselves dog 🐕 lovers or cat 🐈 lovers ("ailurophiles") first and foremost, aside from animal lovers (who actually respect animals hence their veganism) in general. Others, like Joey Carbstrong, say that pigs 🐖 are their favourite animal and always have been even since before they went vegan; maybe some saw the movie "Babe" and developed an affection for them, for example. It's understandable. And others like cows 🐄 or chicks 🐥 or lambs 🐑 of course.

But as much as it might be a natural thing to gravitate to a certain species of animal, and "favouritise" them, is that still a form of speciesism? Of course if you're not actually exploiting the animals that aren't your favourite then it's only a mental matter. But is it still wrong even just to view them differentially and prefer or hold more love for some species than others? Loving an individual than another makes sense. But would you love one race of people more than other? Do you say "Greek people are my favourite race" (as a non-Greek person, for sake of example)? If not, and if that would be considered racist, then why is it not speciesist to prefer one species over others, even if just mentally?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I never said what you said pretty sure. But I edited it literally immediately. I meant that often only vegans can truly understand a topic about veganism, which makes perfect sense.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

All I’m gonna say about that, is yes safe spaces are typically were our notions (wrong or right) are reciprocated.

You aren’t looking for people to understand a topic, you just want similar minded people to “circle-jerk”, not accepting outside opinion, but pushing theirs on others, is a major issue with people these days.

Not trolling at all, just pointing out what’s come across the Hot feed the last couple days, and trying to create engagement.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm trying to talk to vegans about this topic. That's all. This question is discussing things that vegans focus on in particular. If I was asking another question geared toward all people that would be different. Please leave me alone now.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Then why bring up it being overrun by “non-vegans” that’s not achieving what you wanted it to with that comment leading the topic.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I had reason to believe that would happen if I didn't specifically ask for only vegan replies, which you did not respect. I was right. And no it's not a self fulfilling prophecy. I've tried asking things on vegan communities on Lemmy before without that preface, and just got non-vegans trolling. At least this might reduce it. But the trolls are abundant. You are absolutely a troll. Please go away.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago

Actually, since I never directed a response to your question, I never disrespected that. I know it’s pedantic, but it’s important here. I was creating engagement for Lemmy by pointing out the funniness between two communities.

Asking for a safe space is asking for the trolls to come out, they’ll come out anyways, but all you’ve done is now put a beacon that you can’t handle a little feather ruffling.