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We estimate that by 2025, Signal will require approximately $50 million dollars a year to operate—and this is very lean compared to other popular messaging apps that don’t respect your privacy.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago (15 children)

They could save a lot on infrastructure costs if they decentralised their network and stopped using phone numbers as unique identifiers.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago (7 children)

I'm all for decentralised networks, but they do have their flaws. I use Matrix every day, and there are a lot of times the keys need to be resent, messages don't get sent or deleted on shaky internet, etc. Issues like this make it seem broken to normies. Signal Just Works™️

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Signal Just Works™️

Until you drop your phone in the swimming pool, and every message/photo you've ever received is just... gone. Forever.

Sorry but I don't buy any claim that Signal "just works". It's pretty clear they care about security more than anything else even when that means making decisions that are user hostile. And that's fine - if you feel like you need that level of security I'm glad Signal exists. But it doesn't really align with the general public and Signal is never going to be a mass market messaging service unless something changes (Signal or the general public).

What's weird to me is an app that excludes itself from phone backups considers SMS a valid form of authentication when a user links a device to a phone number - especially when you can necessarily link a device to a number that is already tied to someone else's device. Like how is that ever going to be secure? Spoiler: it's not. It'd make a lot more sense to me if users simply crated a username and shared it with other people instead of a phone number... and if they forget their password... come up with new username.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

Signal provides a backup option. The auto backup for SMS on android is provided by google and likely uses google drive. I don't know for certain but I would guess the encryption options and security of that route would be impossible to guarantee and the public backlash of signal users knowing their data was being sent to Google's servers would be massive.

I've setup my signal backups to a local folder on my phone. I then have SyncThing running on my phone and home computer so it automatically gets sent once it's created.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You want SimpleX then. No number needed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

+1 for this. From my tests, SimpleX seems fast, reliable, secure, and private. I haven't tried daily driving it, though.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Downside is minor bugs re inviting friends:

Gets confused by invites from Facebook (can't automatically strip the trailing tracking code from the URL).

Fails scan of QR invite with your maybe camera app. Must scan from app.

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