this post was submitted on 28 Nov 2023
857 points (97.6% liked)

News

23376 readers
1857 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.


Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.


If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.


The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Oh cool. When is that passing the Senate?

Sen. Ed Markey (D-Mass.) is cosponsoring the legislation in the Senate, and Rep. Jamaal Bowman (D-N.Y.) will introduce companion legislation in the House of Representatives.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It won't pass, but if Biden can put the blame of it failing on Republicans it could help win elections.

That's something realistic he could do. For an unrealistic but satisfying option, he could pick the worst offender and make that company an example. Send every OSHA, EPA, and IRS agent they can get to swarm the company and bury them in fines and legal actions.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Using agencies as weapons like that outside of their intended purpose is... despotic.

I don't know that it's wise to take attention away from the Republicans own clusterfuck to place it on something the Dems can't get done.

I'm with you in spirit; I just think there are more layers to this than we tend to give it credit for.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think they meant "use agencies as bully goons."

More like, those agencies are usually left under-resourced and under-staffed, so many companies flagrantly violate safety and employment laws because it's more profitable to just make more money and pay off an unlikely fine if they get caught.

So, if you focused all the existing attention of those agencies on the worst companies, they'd find tons of legitimate lawbreaking going on, and hopefully punish the crap out of said company.

But, you know how it is "You stole how many millions in employee wages?!?... that's $25,000 penalty for you, company. Naughty naughty!"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Exactly, even if they do get caught, the fines are so goddamn low it's barely worth it. A warehouse in my city got caught using 11-year-olds in their labor force, including having them driving forklifts. Their penalty? The kids can't work there anymore and the company that owned the warehouse got a $30k fine.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I shudder to think about the multiples of $30k in net-value generated by the labor of those children.

It still probably cost less to unethically hire them under the table and pay the 30k fine than it would to hire adults legitimately!

"Cost of doing business" at this point.

I thought child exploitation got the book thrown at you, in this country. Geeze.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's exactly what Republicans would do if they didn't like a company. Playing nice with these people is what got us to this point.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Exactly. With apologies to Michelle Obama, "They go low, we go high!" does not work. It was never intended to work.

Democrats have a ton of sportsmanship trophies, and what do Republicans have? Well, they've got the SCOTUS, the House, and tons of State governments.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

It's despotic to direct agencies to perform the tasks they were specifically created to perform? I don't think so.

It's not something that Biden would realistically do or that I think should be done in this situation, but it is far from despotic.