this post was submitted on 22 Nov 2023
214 points (92.1% liked)

Programmer Humor

19503 readers
1130 users here now

Welcome to Programmer Humor!

This is a place where you can post jokes, memes, humor, etc. related to programming!

For sharing awful code theres also Programming Horror.

Rules

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I kinda feel your pain. A project that I helped launch is written in Typescript technically, but the actual on-the-ground developers were averse to using type safety, so any is used everywhere. So, it becomes worst of both worlds, and the code is a mess (I don't have authority in the project anymore, and wouldn't touch it even if I could).

I'm also annoyed at some level because some of the devs are pretty junior, and I fear they are going to go forward thinking Typescript or type safety in general is bad, which hurts my type-safety-loving-soul

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

One file at a time. Make strong pre-commit eslint rules (that way you don't impact existing code), eventually update tsconfig. You'll get there :)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

In theory I'm a fan of the inferred but static typing systems that most modern languages use (kotlin, rust, TS, etc.) where most local variable types can be inferred and only return types/object fields/parameters need explicit types.

I just despise typescript because it feels more like someone put a bandaid over JavaScript and all of its oddities instead of making a properly fleshed out language, and allowing the option for an 'any' type to be used freely by default emphasizes that.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Based on your description it sounds like you haven't given it a fair shake. I'll take TS over JS any day, at least there is room for improvement. I will say however I personally haven't been unlucky enough to run into projects that abuse the any type. The worst I've run into is a JS library with no typings I have to manually type.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I imagine what they mean is e.g. that TypeScript can tell you something is a Date, but it doesn't attempt to fix some of the confusing, quirky behaviour with that: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Date#interpretation_of_two-digit_years

So, yes, it's generally better than JS, but it doesn't actually make it good/attractive, if you're used to the sanity of backend languages. It very much feels like lipstick on a pig.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Exactly this. I'd rather use TypeScript than regular JS, but I enjoy using almost any other statically-typed language more (except maybe C++) because TS has the potential to be just as bad as JS for codebases where it isn't being used correctly (this is true for other languages as well but it's usually a lot more obvious).

Not that it isn't possible to have good typescript code, but rather that code becomes a lot harder to maintain because of problems that could've been prevented at a language level (truthy/falsey logic, 'any' type being allowed by default rather than 'unknown,' etc)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

TypeScript is JavaScript and not in the literal it's compiled to JS sense but in the think of TS as a linter not a language sense.