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I'm not. I didn't realise people would be so confused by analogies.
I compared the rhetoric. That's the point of such devices. You don't have to be a racist to use similar logic to them.
This isn't complicated whatsoever.
The guy is hiding behind semantics, so I described another instance of hiding behind semantics. I deliberately used an extreme example so the error was more clear. Basic reductio ad absurdum.
How deep are you willing to go before you admit you made a dumbass comparison?
Look, I can pretend I'm smart by invoking latin shit too: adversus solem ne loquitor
Explain how the comparison is "dumbass", or admit you're just wrong.
Anyone can just make claims without justifying them. I claim trees speak German. I will elaborate no further!
Um, you think that's all I was doing there? Just saying random Latin?
You do realise this is just... you admitting you don't know what reductio ad absurdum is?
And you're acting like that proves anything other than that you're ill-equipped to discuss rhetoric?
I'll explain: reductio ad absurdum is a common rhetorical device whereby you take someone's logic, and apply it to the most extreme example, to show how the logic fails. It literally means "reduction to the absurd".
Here's an example:
What you just did now? Saying "I can invoke random Latin shit"? That's like you, in court, objecting to a lawyer using the term "mens rea", and saying they're just "invoking latin shit", because you don't realise it is in fact a common term in that context, and instead think they're just showing off.
Psst, let me share a little secret. What I said wasn't random it's another phrase debatelords like yourself use to pretend they are very cool and logical, but I love how eager you were to flaunt your knowledge of something with a very obvious meaning. I thought it was poignant to someone trying to argue some of the most stupid shit I've ever heard, and you can say ad hominem to that.
Have you stopped even trying to make a point?
What? "I can invoke latin shit too?" You were trying to wield that against me in a "look, this is how you look" kinda move? When I never did that or anything like that? Well, cool. I hope you had fun, but it was a waste of time.
I'm not "flaunting" I'm explaining, because it appeared to be a roadblock for you. You didn't respond to it, but simply point at it and the fact it was Latin. You gave every indication of being stumped. Should I instead have just mocked you and allowed the conversation to come to a standstill? I was trying to explain my point to you.
This isn't a fucking fight. It's a conversation. I'm trying to be even-handed and fair, here.
I'm not sure you're using "poignant" correctly, there. But nothing about this comment I'm responding to makes any sense whatsoever in context, so that's just par for the course, it seems.
Also, why would I call that an ad hominem? Your guesses and estimations about me thus far have been completely off the mark, so what makes you think this one will hit?
All that said, are you ready to get back on topic?
Not reading all that but I'm happy for you