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[–] [email protected] 83 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Unfortunately the pro Trump propaganda is strong. If the opposition isn't reminding people how horrible he is he'll get free advertising again and win.

If you don't want to see it either block all political communities or get off social media.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Trump is old, but he appears energetic. He's boisterous and aggressive, both traits appeal to his base. They don't care if he gaffs or gets countries wrong.

Edit: based on people's reactions, somehow you seem to think I'm endorsing him or like him. I do not.

To be clear, I'm trying to honestly assess why he might have a chance at winning. Our republic is fucked if he wins.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Have you seen his latest rallies? He has nowhere near the energy he did in 2016. He rambles about the dumbest shit, loses the plot, can't tell countries and world leaders apart, just an overall mess. His previous attacks were pretty stupid but focused and determined. Now all he does is whine about how unfair the judges in his cases are. It's low energy. Sad. Yeah, a lot of his base won't care, but Maga Republicans have been getting absolutely bitch slapped at the voting booth.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

He rambles about the dumbest shit, loses the plot, can't tell countries and world leaders apart, just an overall mess.

I legit cannot tell if you mean now or in the past.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah he's definitely always done this, but now it's even worse and extremely low energy.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

The endless torrent of lawsuits is wearing him down, or at least I hope.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Both? Trump has never actually understood what he says if it wasn't about himself.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago

Pretending like he doesn't have a chance is what got him in power the first time. I don't typically love polling, but you should look at the numbers. If Trump wins again, our republic is done.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not sure why you're being downvoted, you're not wrong. He absolutely does give off the impression that he's young and energetic to his voterbase, purely because of what you said.

Before anyone gets upset with me as well, consider how Trump's cult, and America in general, views traits like boisterousness or aggressiveness. To them, those are young/middle-age traits, not dementia-addled senior citizen traits.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Nuance gets lost. I don't know why.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

The bigger your audience, the more nuance is lost. People in large groups are bad at thinking because the group energy takes over. Which I think explains Trump's success. Individual Republicans think he's dumb as a box of rocks but get them all together in one place and they start chanting death to libs while he conducts the symphony. All nuance about specific facts or policies are thrown out the window and it reverts to pure tribalism. When everyone around you is shouting hatred, that isn't the time to interrupt and point out that maybe the enemy isn't that bad.

I'm not dumb enough to think that doesn't happen on the left as well to an extent, but currently at least it seems a much bigger problem on the right. I hope once Trump is out of the way, no one else is quite able to capture that spark again.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yeah when people try and pretend like Trump can't speak to a crowd or isn't charismatic I feel like I'm being gaslighted, it's like they really don't want admit he can be good at it for some reason. Being dumb af or evil is a separate thing than charisma, and if anything they're infamously associated traits. He's totally phoning it in a lot of the times now sure, but he can still turn it on when needed.

Trump and Biden are both historically disliked party leaders, so pretending people have unanimous respect for every aspect of one or the other is really strange to me. I remember in 2016 people trying to convince themselves Hillary was cool and could give some "fierce" comebacks to Trump if only given the chance, and I was just fuck stop doing this to yourselves this is sad. If Hillary wins it will not be because she's a good speaker.... I still lose it at her robot voice being like, "I first came to awareness of you, through the Cardi B WAP!"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Trump and Biden are some of the most unpopular candidates ever to run for president but neither party seems able or willing to put someone more likeable up. Dems wholly rejected the candidate who had every chance of beating Trump in the general, in favor of the one more friendly to donor interests and had a pretty likely chance of losing. This is basically the death spiral of the system producing these results right now ad infinitum.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Unpopular to you. They are popular in America.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Neither Biden or Trump have exceeded low 50% approval ratings at their best, mostly both hover around 40%, with a constant 50-55% disapproval rating.

It's accurate that other presidents over the last half century have tanked harder than this, but no president in this timeframe aside from Truman potentially, has had a consistent approval rating this low, or a disapproval rating this high, and this applies to both Trump and Biden.