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micromobility - Ebikes, scooters, longboards: Whatever floats your goat, this is micromobility

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Ebikes, bicycles, scooters, skateboards, longboards, eboards, motorcycles, skates, unicycles: Whatever floats your goat, this is all things micromobility!

"Transportation using lightweight vehicles such as bicycles or scooters, especially electric ones that may be borrowed as part of a self-service rental program in which people rent vehicles for short-term use within a town or city.

micromobility is seen as a potential solution to moving people more efficiently around cities"

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m in London, and I frequently see a local painter/decorator with his stuff on a cargo bike - including a stepladdder. Sees entirely practical

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

For that person sure. My neighbour has 4 different types of nail guns, each for the special task they're required for. The air compressor to drive them. The high-pressure air hose. About 12 batteries for his various saws, drills, etc. Speaking of saws, he has circular. Drop. Reticulation. And more. Then his hammers, hand saws, nails for said guns. Screws. Ladders. Straight edges. There would be lots of things I've missed like saw horses for his drop saw. The actual portable drop saw bench. Then of course the materials. Wood, glues, putty, etc etc etc. There is no way this guy is getting on a bike. My neighbour is your typical tradie in Australia.

Edit. Down voted for the facts. Come on, argue some facts if you disagree.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nobody expects everybody to transport everything everywhere with a bike.

Germany has a growing number of carpenters, construction workers, etc using cargo bikes when possible, which is quite often. Same in France. Of course they also use a van to transport wood, etc. But many jobs don't require to bring everything and the kitchen sink. So they have maybe one van and three cargo bikes instead of four vans, or just rent one when needed.

https://www.handwerk-magazin.de/lastenrad-einsatz-im-handwerk-ohne-fuehrerschein-voll-bepackt-und-schnell-am-ziel-278177/

https://www.holzundheim.de/schreiner-berlin-kreuzberg.html

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most tradespeople are working across several jobs at once. The cases where it would be practical to shuttle between them & organise all materials to be delivered ahead of time would be very limited. You’d need to be in a dense area (city), that is relatively flat & have a number of large, simple jobs on the go at a time.

If you’ve ever built something you’ll be familiar with the million screws & extras you had to duck out for - tradesmen carry that stuff in their vehicle to save them (& you) the expense of them coming back with the parts later.

I’m an avid cyclist & used to ride motorbikes. There is absolutely no way I could carry what I need to do the job, outside of a massive multi-week fit out where I can essentially park my tools & all equipment onsite & commute to/from by bike.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

What part of nobody expects everyone to use a bike do you not understand?

I don't care about the people who cannot use a bike. What I do care about is that the people who can start doing so.

You’d need to be in a dense area (city)

So? You make that sound like it's a rare exception. Plenty of people living in dense cities, let's start there.

If you’ve ever built something

I guess the carpenter in the example I gave you who started with one bike, now has three, and says it heavily reduced their use of cars hasn't built anything at all in his life...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Yeh, so he uses his van as a portable store for all of hys equipment. ons alternative is taking the tools you need need for that day’s work.

Anyway. The argument isn’t that bikes are suitable for all tradespeople in all circumstances (well that’s not my argument anyway) it’s that they are practical in a significant way.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This article merely states that some tradespeople can use bikes instead of cars/vans/trucks, a point which you repeatedly agree with. You then go on to argue that the article is wrong because not everybody can use a bike.

I'm not sure why you've decided to pick an argument here.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

But I'm not. I'm simply stating it's not possible for most. Other people didn't like that fact, and they started arguing. Good on the German guy that can. Unfortunately, most tradies have to burn diesel though.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You'll always be downvoted for facts they don't like here, it's normal with this kind of people.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And with "facts" you mean the strawmen you like to burn?

https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/570625/-/comment/3180120

Say, how many sock puppet accounts do you have exactly to spread your hate of bikes?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't spread "hate of bikes". I don't hate bikes, either. I've probably done more kilometers on them than most of the regulars here.

I just point out the extreme level of bigotry in this kind of "kill all cars" communities.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There is no "kill all cars community" except in your head...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

Hilariously untrue.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

So tell us, where are the people calling to "kill all cars" in this community here? Can you point to them?

Where is this "extreme bigotry", can you point to that here?

Oh, right. There is none.

You want to see "extreme bigotry"? Look at this guy making false claims and then going quiet when being asked for receipts: https://lemmy.world/comment/4953347

Get lost, troll.