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[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So 6 people in a span of 3 years in an area with a life expectancy of 56.

The two in the burned cars were the likeliest related to the protests and murdered, but it's much more likely to be some gang bullshit and not targeted at all.

Wikipedia says this about it:

As of March 2019, Ferguson protesters have continued to receive threats to their lives or wellbeing

The articles you posted mention this

The 2010 U.S. census showed that while people who live in wealthy and mostly white western St. Louis County can expect to live well into their 80s, life expectancy in parts of mostly black north St. Louis County reaches only into the 60s. Life expectancy in Kinloch, a few miles from Ferguson, is 56.

Forty-five of the county’s 60 homicide victims last year were black in a county where less than a quarter of the population is black, according to police statistics.

I don't think it's any conspiracy shenanigans going on and not government members that killed them suspiciously...long after the protests were over. It looks like a horrible place to live, especially for black people without any perspective for a future.

It smells like "I want to believe", not some deep state revenge after the fact.

It doesn't even look like a statistical anomaly that much if you take everything into account.

Here's a link to suicide rates in the US.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db464.pdf

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't want to believe it, in fact if someone where to claim ALL of these were not accidents or had something to do with their protest involvement I would wholeheartedly find that ridiculously unlikely, but I remain open to the idea that one or more could be. I remember in an auto-bio from a black panther i read he said something along the lines of him not blaming the cops for breaking up his chapter, that would be giving them too much credit. I like that, I hope they're not some all powerful org that can just disappear who they want.

But then they do things like summary execution of a murder suspect without clearly announcing themselves, say they saw a gun flashed but they found the gun in his pocket. All because he shot (I guess technically allegedly) someone reported to be attacking protestors who happened to be part of a far right group that the police had deals with (they agreed to not execute a warrant on the groups leader). https://theguardian.com/us-news/2019/mar/01/exclusive-video-shows-portland-officers-made-deal-with-far-right-group-leader

So I fully believe that when the circumstances present themselves, sometimes, someone with the capacity to do something will take that opportunity. Didn't initially include this case because this is something that happened during an arrest, but if this particular instance wasn't a federal hit, nothing short of when they bombed a philly neighborhood block in 85 is. They have the means and unless we believe these federal organizations have changed without any real external pressure to do so, history says they have the will as well.

info about the arrest that was essentially an execution here. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/14/activist-portland-shooting-michael-reinoehl-police

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Nah, you totally want to believe. You said this:

I'd have to ignore a lot of history to consider it impossible for the same people who thought they could control minds with LSD and did put microphones inside Russian street cats to have a hand in this.

How are these stupid agency projects of the past in any way related to supposed murders of rather random protestors that didnt have much influence anymore?

It just doesn't make any sense.

The protest leaders would just vanish during the protests without a trace, and maybe come back siding the government, and not die of suicide years later when they've long stopped being relevant.

An average life Expectancy of 56 years is some 3rd world country in civil war numbers. Burkina Faso is at 62 years for example. Somalia at 58, Chad 55.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Since when does not considering something impossible imply wanting to believe?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't play dumb. You're totally eating up this conspiracy stuff.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

And spy cats from the 70's are your reasoning.

A for effort though, that picture is funny.

You started spreading that killing of protestors conspiracy with confidence. You later saying you don't consider it impossible isn't getting you off the hook.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not sure why you're pushing to be the asshole here, but you're doing a damn fine job of it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm calling him out for spreading completely unfounded and unreasonable conspiracy theories.

As if we wouldn't have enough of this deep state crap pushed by a former president. As if we wouldn't have enough radicalised mindsets.

I'm also not the one calling others names unlike you.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Pretty thick coming from the guy calling me an asshole.

I have an argument, you're just trolling and trying to be mean. As long as it makes you less miserable, go ahead.

So you think radicalisation is something to strive for or how do I have to interpret your comment?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You don't have to interpret anything. It's clear you're acting like an whiny asshole, and now you're doubling down ... so here's more 🧀🧀🧀🧀