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[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago (4 children)

IP shouldn't exist in general.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 11 months ago (3 children)

But then how would TCP and UDP work?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

simple. TCP wouldn't, and UDP never did anyway.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

and UDP never did anyway As a CS student I’ve laughed way to hard when reading this

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

Fair, lol

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Time to load up NetBIOS and... Stuff.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago (3 children)

It was so hard for me to grasp at some point over a decade earlier that in the past, in the middle ages and earlier for example, that people would publish all these educational books.....and none of the info was copyrighted; literally anyone could find some book published by some random Greek or Arab person and just take all the knowledge, and release their own stuff that just freely builds on the knowledge contained within, or that inventions could be copied by anyone and no one was like 'pay me for my brilliance'.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Absolutely. Free flow of information without pay wall allows humanity to collectively build upon itself.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

At the same time, paying people who generate, develop and curate information, enables and encourages more people to do so. IMHO one of the amazing things about the open source movement is it's built on so much generosity of time and resources.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Could your average joe even afford to buy a single one of those handwritten books? Or even read said book for that matter...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Yes, but it's important to remember that a much (most?) of that work was performed by those with hereditary wealth, under the patronage of those with hereditary wealth, under the patronage of the church, or by clergy who had plenty of free time beyond their duties and no separate need to earn income for housing and food. In fact, one reason to enter the clergy was to gain access to the resources to pursue other activities.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Property other than what you personally use to live shouldn't exist, but if we're moving away from capitalism, IP is not first on the list of things to abandon

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

Also, I could see some forms of IP being higher on the list than others. A market socialist setup, where every company is a worker owned co-op, would still have a lot of use for Trademarks. It could be a far less abusive system than the one we have now, but we'd still want it to exist.

Market socialism itself is likely to only be a transitory step, though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Yes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

A monopoly is thought to inspire creation, if that's so IP is good, but should be on human timescales.

100 years of monopoly won't inspire me any better than 20 years, and even most cooperate products have less time in production than that