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Zelensky wasn't elected to be a wartime leader; his mandate from the public was to do the opposite. Perhaps he has won over some citizens during the conflict, but he owes it to the people of Ukraine to give them the choice to pursue peace.
I don't even understand what the stakes are from his perspective, he's already banned like a dozen political parties and nobody cares, what do you have to fear holding an election when you're allowed to ban people who oppose you? It's a free rubber stamp basically, you get democracy points and to renew your mandate by being the only legal option, it's a win win.
The numbers of votes cast will be pretty grim
How would that peace negotiation go with a country like Russia?
What kind of question is that? No one has even tried.
Yes, but what should they expect? what would Russia most likely ask for, for the war to end?
How the fuck am I supposed to know since no one has even tried.
Let me give you a hint: Why did Russia start the war according to Russia and to Ukraine?
This one is really simple.
Bruh the Ukrainian government started it in 2014 when they started shelling their own civilians.
First of all do you have a source for the shelling claim never heard of it, but the other claim of unfair treatment and prosecution of Russians in Donetsk and Luhansk means that Russia wants to at least take control of those areas. And the claims that Ukraine is run by neo-nazis means that Russia may want to take control of Ukraine as a whole.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/24/ukraine-unguided-rockets-killing-civilians
OK, that's horrible. But yeah, Russia isn't looking for peace if it doesn't involve taking control over a large area of Ukraine.
Borders are constructs and as history shows they change whether its justifiable or not.
Yes, and that's not in the best interest of Ukraine. So Ukraine doesn't want to lose all of that territory, but Russia wants to gain it, and Ukraine thinks it is capable of defending it's territory, while Russia thinks that it's capable of defeating them.
That's how you get a war. To get peace negotiations you need one of, or both of the nations to decide that they've had enough casualties or other loses, and that they're ready to settle down for less. Neither of them have decided that.