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Your Windows 10 PC will soon be 'junk' - users told to resist Microsoft deadline
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this post was submitted on 05 Nov 2023
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Why is that a "big worry"? Windows 10 was released in 2015. So 2025 would be over 10 years of support. That's a more than valid amount of time to support an OS.
The big worry is that most computers running Win10 don't meet the requirements to run 11. If they drop support for 10, then a huge number of computers that are functioning just fine suddenly start becoming increasingly less safe to use and the only fix is to throw them away.
Or install some other OS
Let's not get crazy here. These folks would need to know that if they go to a new OS, will is still run "the Microsoft" or "the Google"?
Yup, i run a 9900k with a rx6900, perfectly fast computer, can't upgrade to 11.
Are you sure about that? The minium CPU I thought was an 8th gen Intel or 2nd gen Ryzen.
And https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-22h2-supported-intel-processors has your CPU listed.
That is a problem absolutely. Anything older than 8th gen Intel or 2nd gen Ryzen is cut off, which will be less than 10 years old in 2025. I get why they're doing that, but for a lot of people that is nothing but a hassle.
One amongst many fixes is to install Linux and have a great computer
Yeah, that's true, but many people will wonder "Can I still be able to access the Microsoft from a Linux?"
That's a great way to show how those people think.
Having said that; yes. Yes, they can access the Microsoft. Not that you should want that, but you still can.
It's the more recent computers that can't run Windows 11. So that's what 5 years of support?
Windows 10 came out in 2015 and eighth gen Intel and 2nd gen Ryzen came out in 2018. So it would be 7 years of support unless you bought an older computer then.
It's not when compatible chips started selling, it's when you could still buy non compatible chips and computers. If I could go to Best Buy last year and buy a new computer that's not compatible with Windows 11, then that's 1+ 2 more years for a total of 3 years support.
So the question is: when could you still buy a computer that wasn't compatible. That's the support length for many people.
Good point, although by then we're getting to variables that MS can't control.
I know people have bypassed the spec check to get 11 installed, I think MS should just allow people to bypass it officially for a certain length of time. It's a pain in the ass to support older machines and OSes, but striking a middle ground is good.
They can keep supporting windows 10. They made money when windows 10 was installed on that computer, so they should support it.
They have though. For ten years.
I'm sympathetic to MS trying to force updates along. One big problem especially in Enterprise is that the requirement to support ancient OSes and hardware causes unnecessary work, and holds back progress. Look at IE. Or Vista's performance issues caused by underpowered GPUs.
The question is how long do you support and how forceful are you on requiring upgrades? Linux distros have LTS releases and generally do a great job on long term support, but even they will start deprecating branches.
There has to be a middle ground.
Are you back to this again? We just went through it, if you bought a computer last year that can't run windows 11, then no it's not 10 years. It's 3.
We're talking two similar but different issues. The first one is support of the OS in general. The OS released 10 years ago, MS supported it for 10 years. The second is how do they handle people who bought computers a year or two or three or whatever after Windows 10 release that had an older CPU. That is where I think there should be some wiggle room. Just put in an easy way to check in the install for example that the user understands that they're on borrowed time, but they can update to Windows 11. Or if they have to, extend Windows 10 security updates for another year or two. My preference would be allow Windows 11 upgrade, but I'm not hard line on it.
The important part is that there has to be a middle ground. Every OS can not be supported indefinitely on every permutation of hardware without cutoff. But there needs to be flexibility for reasonably modern hardware that can run an OS while maybe not supporting some features or just being old enough where support becomes overly cumbersome.
Yes I know, you keep talking about the start of sale for some reason and I'm trying to correct you that it's not the start. It's when products are purchased. When. The. Product. Is. Purchased. When you purchase a product, you should get support for it. 3 years is disgustingly pitiful. 5 years is still pitiful. It's only 10 years if you were an extremely early adopter, first out of the gate. Again, it's when the product is purchased. From the end of sales. Not the start of sales. The end of sales. JFC. When the last product was sold. Not the first. The last. They made money on that computer (again end of sales), they should support it.