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For the vast majority of smokers it's not a choice between vaping and air, it's a choice between vaping and cigarettes.
Tell that to the kids getting hooked by candy vapes.
Those are mostly banned now, so they're a non issue going forward.
"Mostly," "now," "going forward." As if that makes it somehow okay?!
No motherfucking excuses for vaping can make up for the grievous harm that's already been done.
^this
Yeah, but who gives a flying fuck about smokers?
Smokers' needs are way, way the fuck down the priorities list compared to non-smokers' needs. If something might save 100 smokers but risk harming a single non-smoker, it's still not worth doing.
And if smokers don't like it, well, it's their own damn fault for making that choice. Quit fucking cold-turkey and deal with it.
Edit: vapes do harm by tempting non-smokers to start vaping. If you want help quitting smoking, at least use a goddamn nicotine patch or whatever like a responsible person instead of being a useful idiot enabling Philip Morris etc. to push new shit on the public. Everybody defending vaping because it's myopically good only for people who already smoke (ignoring the significant harm that new, non-smokers get addicted to it) is a terrible fucking person and should be ashamed of himself.
Their kids
Their family
Their workplace.
Their neighbors
Do you know what an addiction is?
Do you know what "creating new addicts by pushing vaping on them" is?!
Why the fuck do you think existing addicts are somehow entitled to expose others to risk and temptation just because they're too fucking weak to make good decisions for themselves?!
Addiction is a powerful thing and this kind of thinking is such a counter-intuitive way of dealing with it.
Addiction often stems from issues people are dealing with in their lives and telling them to stop like this as if it's a moral failure on their part just feeds into it all. Most people know they need to stop for themselves and others but shoving them down like this genuinely makes it harder
The point is that smokers do not deserve that help AT THE COST OF NEW NON-SMOKERS GETTING ADDICTED TO VAPING!
Cause that's the trade-off you're making when you talk about how great vapes are. NOT helping smokers at no cost to anybody else, but instead helping smokers at very high cost to the rest of society.
If you want to quit smoking, use a goddamn PATCH or something that
UNLIKE MOTHERFUCKING VAPES -- actually doesn't tempt stupid teenagers to start the same habit you're trying to break!