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Finnish neo-Nazis used 3D printer to make guns in preparation for ‘race war’
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 01 Nov 2023
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this is gonna get used as an argument to ban 3D-Printers, isn't it?
There are idiots that will try, but it will then be pointed out that milling machines fucking exist and have for decades without being an issue.
And I'm 100% certain I can get more useful parts out of a milling machine than a 3d printer.
kicks his stupid fucking Photon
I can go out today and buy a $3000 cnc mill and make 100s of tiny parts in 1 week that will turn any consumer bought AR15 into a fully automatic weapon of destruction. All the plans and details how to do it have been online for a long time. It's not hard and these people have the motivation and willingness to do it.
You cannot buy consumer grade AR15 in European countries without having a gun licencse, having the gun registered and subject yourself to random inspections if it is stored properly, which usually means unloaded in a gun safe.
Organizations like this one, at least competent ones, don't buy guns at the shops. I was making a point but I'm sure there is an illicit gun trade even in Sweden.
There is, it's just a lot less accessible and I would assume a lot less expensive.
Bank robbers would have guns in Europe, but ypur average guy breaking and entering won't.
I'm appaled by the tone in your response. I come to the fediverse because many of the discussions are interesting and I like to browse the comments or add my 2 cents.
You are doing the digital equivalent of screaming at the top of your lungs. I suggest you learn to rely on arguments instead of cheap rethoric and caps lock.
NY is trying to pass a law requiring a firearm background check to purchase a printer.
Fuck this. Registering a printer yet some places don’t even make you register a gun? The printer isn’t the problem.
So let's say 3D-printers now have to be licensed, how would they be monitored for what they're actually printing?
Those are completely different things. You have to get licensed for a firearm or car, but there's no tracking what you shoot or where you drive.
Um... what?
If you drive a car, your car needs a license plate. That plate is tied to you. If you commit a crime you're likely to get reported. Also you can be randomly stopped by police and they will check if you have a driver's license.
For firearms, as far as I'm concerned, the ammunition has some sort of serial number, which in case of committing a crime, would allow the police to track you by contacting people who sold it to you.
With printer, how then fuck is it going to change anything? Not to mention you can actually quite easily build it yourself.
You still need ammunition for 3D printed weapons, even though i am very much certain, that the individual ammunition is not tracked or has a serial number.
For 3D printers it is relevant information, so police can have a look into who has one, if they believe a printed weapon to be used, or find one. This in itself is not a criteria that warrants a search, but if Neonazi A is murdering someone with a printed weapon and Neonazi B from his Naziclub has a printer, that is a good place to start looking. Or like @ProcurementCat said, it creates a context in which people buy black market, which involves more fuck ups.
That is relative. It requires much more effort to build one, than to buy one. Especially if you need parts with a tight tolerance, like for a gun that can actually shoot things.
In the same wake it is very much possible to make all the precursor chemicals to make illegal drugs, still regulating some key precursor chemicals keeps most hillbillys from making drugs in their backyard.
Hey, If they try to integrate all that surveillance shit into chat apps, why not search all printed 3d printer files for ~~copyright infringement~~ weapons and sexual abuse content?