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As lawmakers around the world weigh bans of 'forever chemicals,” many manufacturers are pushing back, saying there often is no substitute.

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[–] [email protected] 95 points 1 year ago (16 children)

These are critical chemistries that enable modern day life

Then maybe we need to examine "modern day life" with a more critical eye. Some sacrifices may need to be made, because they are worth being made.

There are also measures that lie between "ban" and "use freely". If we cannot eliminate the use of these chemicals in chipmaking, then we need to reconsider the disposability of these chips, or we can even consider if less effective processes result in less damaging chemical use, and accept a bit of regression as a trade-off.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Who would have a problem with us returning to an average lifespan of 40 years?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, me I do, which is why I want to get rid of these forever chemicals because that's how we're going to end up with 40 year lifespans again.

We aren't getting rid of our nutritious diets and vaccines which are the two biggest factors in history that have extended average lifespans. Not Teflon pans and firefighting materials.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think you overestimate the toxicity of PTFEs. You know they are used in implants?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You underestimate the toxicity of PFAS chemicals and their manufacture. I work in a toxicology lab, I know a lot of people researching PFAS right now.

To make PTFE, they used to use a chemical called PFOA, which causes multiple types of cancer and other pathologies. Everyone has been exposed to it, especially since they have been found to just dump it in whatever river is convenient. They had to stop using it after getting sued, but now they just use a different chemical that had been show to have the same effects. And again, they're just dumping it into rivers knowing the fines for polluting won't be as bad as actually containing the chemical properly.

That is one PFAS chemical. There are so many others. Do not let corporations poison you for profit and then lick their boots for the privilege.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

Seems like the problem is the lack of proper environmental protection and enforcement.

Love the closing personal attacks. Really drives your point home.

Your mamas so fat , oops I mean PHAT.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My comment was about how if elimination of these materials is impossible, then we should figure out how best to reduce their usage in an acceptable manner.

Jumping straight to black-and-white "So you'd send us back to the dark ages?!?!?!" type of response is kinda wild.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

not the people insisting on the chemicals, clearly.

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