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[-] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This brings up the very important distinction between nation and state. We think of them now interchangeably, but as I understand it, the Peace of Westphalia created the modern system of nation-states that comprises the international order. It was very recent, historically speaking, such that even Germany didn't unify into one until the early 20th century.

It's important, because while various nations existed in Palestine, the region got integrated into the Westphalian system under outside, colonial powers, rather than as a nation-state. That allowed room for the Zionist slogan, "a land without a people for a people with a land." That was a clever distortion—there was not "a people" in the sense of the new international order, but there certainly were people who lived there, and had lived there for generations.

The bottom line is that the Israeli state must absolutely be distinct and separate from the nation of Israel—and that the nation of Israel must be allowed to exist in peace in the region. The current state can go kick rocks, as far as I'm concerned.

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