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Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones cannot use his personal bankruptcy to escape paying at least $1.1 billion in defamation damages stemming from his repeated lies about the 2012 Sandy Hook elementary school massacre, a U.S. bankruptcy judge ruled Thursday.

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 year ago (35 children)

I'm not really in the loop on this but can someone ELI5 why Alex Jones is the only one that's being forced to pay money for the shit that comes out of his mouth? It seems like everyone else is doing whatever they want with no repercussions.

[–] [email protected] 159 points 1 year ago (3 children)

He made very specific defamatory statements accusing fellow citizens / parents of murdered children of participating in a government conspiracy and those people were able to prove they experienced harm as a consequence of his words.

The plaintiffs also had enough financial backing from (understandably horrified) strangers, and a high enough chance of winning for lawyers to want to represent them. Those factors allowed the plaintiffs to survive the legal system long enough to get a ruling, and the severity of the situation maintained their motivation to keep pushing for it instead of accepting settlement so they could somewhat move on with their lives.

Sometimes, the planets align to create the trifecta of enough energy, money, and evidence to force the justice system into enforcing justice. And I am grateful that can sometimes still happen, as rare as it feels.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I prefer to think thusly:

“The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.”

---Martin Luther King, Jr.

But I can certainly understand people's pessimism, looking at the world around us...

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

That's fair, I'm not a flat-bow conspiracy theorist, even if the curve looks real flat right now from down here.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I wonder if MLK ever read Hegel. I know he got a doctorate so it's not outside the realm of possibility.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nothing's been enforced though. Jones is proceeding with his life pretty much unchanged.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because it’s still in process. This stuff goes slow but he will lose everything.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not holding my breath. Rich people do not play under the same rules as normal people. Bankrupt me and I'm on the street. Bankrupt rich dudes and somehow they still have lawyers, nice clothes and roofs over their heads that they own.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Depends on which chapter of bankruptcy, which all entail wildly different things. There's bankruptcy that effectively eliminates debt and others which force you and your debtors to come to the bargaining table to restructure your payment plan or they get nothing since you could just file for actual bankruptcy

The difference is if you can afford to pay for the lawyers necessary to create that restructuring or if there's any trust at all that you can pay it off eventually without getting yourself deeper in debt

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Jones isn't important enough to the machine that they'll expend any energy or resources sheltering him. I bet this does get him in the end.

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