this post was submitted on 15 Oct 2023
832 points (98.3% liked)
Bay Area
1330 readers
1 users here now
Discussion for all things Bay Area.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
A. It isn't really that much older than the Bible. Jesus is a fictional character cobbled together from the likes of Jeremiah and Elijah. So while it was fully written down until 800 years after Siddharth it isn't like the ideas it borrowed from didn't come from closer to the his time. Plus the main body of works behind Buddhism date from the 6th century.
B. Forests are made out of trees last I checked. You tried to stereotype me because dealing with a stereotype is easier than dealing with a human. You have zero clue what my profession is, if I enjoy it, how I eat, what I consider important. You built a strawman of me and somehow this is my fault.
C. Government rule isn't in the NT either. That didn't stop Rome.
D. What happened in Tibet is as much Buddhism as the crusades were Christian. It is part of the tradition like it or not. You don't get to claim the good and ignore the bad. Just like you don't get to claim I work for an insurance company and drive a Tesla.
It is much older than the bible from an entirely different culture, which had little contact with Abrahamic religion cultures. Buddha's words weren't even written for hundreds of years, so by your own statement, you're comparing the body of works that were written centuries after Buddha's teachings with something that was just beginning to be written centuries later. Additionally, on the original comment you specifically referred to Jesus. As far as I'm aware, Jesus is only featured in the new testament, so you're comparing two things that are a thousand years apart. I'm not saying one thing influenced other, but if it did, there's only one way this could have gone down.
English is your native language, I'm not going to explain the meaning "missing the forest for the trees". I don't need to know your profession. You know why what i said wasn't a strawman ? Because it wasn't even about you. I did not specifically speak once about you in my statement. I explained why those people can be happy without the things i mentioned, in the context of western luxuries and poverty. You were not a part of it, i did not say it was you, i did not allude to a characterization of your person. You inserted yourself in it and then claimed strawman of your own volition. I'm sorry but that's just not how rhetoric works.
So you ignore the entirety of the Bible and only bring up the new testament, even though Christianity itself endorses the Bible as canon law and doesn't exist without it ? There are clear mentions of God's law on how to rule a government throughout the entirety of the bible. Are we supposed to ignore that ? I guess that does track in regards to Christianity.
The crusades were called upon based on canon law that to enter the kindom of heaven, to kill enemies of Christ was seen as basically the golden ticket, which is why the Crusading armies did it. They didn't do it for France, for Rome, for the Pope or Papal states. They did it in the name of Jesus Christ and the Christian faith. I'm not the one selectively ignoring things here, my dear non insurance, Honda driving gentleman (or lady, or other).
No people's ever took up arms and said "I shall kill these people in the name of Siddhartha Gautama". No monk ever called for action saying "If you wish to escape Samsara and attain Nirvana, pick up arms and kill these people in the name of Siddhartha Gautama." Or "I know while killing these people, Siddhartha Gautama will be with me". Going to war in the name of Buddhism would be complete nonsense, which is why nobody ever did it. I cannot make this any clearer than it is already.