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If Germany had an influx of highly qualified workers and professionals I guarantee you there wouldn’t be as much discussion. Immigration comes in different types.
Germany needs workers on all levels of qualification.
Might be but letting people incompatible with our shared values in has always been a bad idea, especially when you let them stay indefinitely.
Agreed, we shouldn't have let Poland and Hungary join.
Haven’t seen them burn flags and smash public property in my town though, lately.
I also haven't seen refugees do that in mine.
Poland and Hungary though, they just burn EU subsidies by funneling them into the pockets of the Prime Minister's family and friends and smash any attempt at civilizational progress or a fair treatment and distribution of refugees across the Union.
https://balkaninsight.com/2021/11/11/polish-nationalists-burn-german-flags-in-state-sanctioned-march/
Who cares what a bunch of clowns did a couple of years ago in their own country? Not my problem.
But very telling that you had to dig deep.
I care about what happens in and around my home.
A ten second internet search. Yes I'm super invested in this.
Well by that criterion, nobody has ever burned a flag or smashed public property near my home, so everything is peachy.
Yeah perhaps you could have posted a better example than a years old story not pertinent to the issue at hand.
You draw your conclusions, I draw mine.
Germany needs workers, not people who are illiterate and unlikely to ever work. Germany has accepted a LOT of people of the latter, and it is causing a lot of social unrest. If the current ruling parties don’t get a handle on things soon, the far right AfD will take power. There are only a few years left to turn this around.
The integration of the 2015 wave of refugees into our labor market is progressing better than that of the 90s wave of refugees that came from former Yugoslavia did at the same time after immigration. They ARE working if we give them the opportunity. Expecting immediate 100% integration is not realistic.
Source
I am not sure why you think this refutes my argument. It supports it. The employment rate is even worse for those who arrived after 2015, and is incredibly low for refugees of certain countries like Syria and Afghanistan.
For posterity, I am not claiming all refugees don't work. I am claiming many do not work, and immigrants who do not work are making Germany's social problems even worse.
No it doesn't. They integrate FASTER than others who came before them who were supposedly far closer to our "shared values and culture" (i.e. "not muslims"), and society didn't collapse when THOSE came. And the fact of the matter is this is while we're actively preventing them from working by straight up forbidding it and not processing their requests for work permits.
Did you know: Syria ranks first among countries of origin of foreign doctors in Germany.
You are attacking straw men. I neither claimed the problem is "Muslims" nor that making Germany poorer will collapse society. Please re-read my comments. To repeat myself, this is what I wrote, and your source confirmed that:
Did you know that in most European countries, Syrians have some of the lowest rates of employment out of any country of origin? Unfortunately I can't find Germany's demographic stats (I would appreciate a source for yours). Here are the stats for Denmark.
That's not the case at all. Maybe trust hard facts instead of your gut feeling https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/fluechtlinge-arbeit-114.html
Did you read it? This is horrific. Six years later, and barely more than half are working.
You claimed
That's just not true. Also 41% are working a job for that they are overqualified, so much for illiterate.
Also, It's a huge pain in the ass to get your degrees and titles recognised in Germany. Even Doctors returning from Switzerland have to wait several months up to a year to get their certificates recognised
This is what I wrote:
I didn't say "all". I said "a lot." According to your link, there are a lot of people who are not working.
This is a meme. Clearly most refugees are not doctors and engineers. I challenge you to provide a source.
It was within the article, as for the Facharzt needing to wait so long to get it's documents recognised, I've met him today in the university hospital
Germany wants highly-skilled workers, but pays them like interns. That won't work. Either you let everyone in and train those people to be useful in your workforce or you only let the highly-skilled people in - but then you have to pay them what they're worth.
You won't get the best of both worlds, but it seems like a lot of our politicians have the mindset that we're such an awesome country that everybody wants to come here.
The far-right politics of AfD/CDU/CSU are hindering our progress immensely. The population gets older and many people leave the workforce, but they still pretend like this can go on forever, without letting any migrants in. Good luck with that.
I mean, Germany is getting those too, but there are only going to be so many of those on the market. You aren't gonna go to, I dunno, Sudan and find a town fully populated by people with doctorates hell-bent on leaving.